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10-24-2013 , 10:04 AM
I use a hand converter for Bovada, it renames the HH Stars. It is against the 5/10 guy
10-24-2013 , 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
Plan to read Ryan Fee's book again, as well as finish Easy Game, and read TDA's pooh bah all the way through.
And, move over to stars and play maybe 10k hands for the month.
Oops, forgot about these.
Almost finished Easy Game
Moved to Stars
On target for 10k+ hands

Two more acheivements to unlock
10-24-2013 , 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OlyBrah

If I play too much of NLHE I get bored. Same applies to PLO. If I play too much of one thing I just get bored, so I try to mix it up every few weeks by playing a few hands of another game here and there.
Play 8-games then.

You get to play a bunch of different games vs the softest possible villains for the stake.
10-24-2013 , 03:44 PM
+1, learning new games is fun
10-24-2013 , 04:08 PM
Ha I suck at HU.
In cheap tourneys I have a pretty good record HU but been trying out some play money and I lose badly against the 100 VPIP guys who complete every SB and call every 3x.
They're letting me see free flops and I can't beat them

EDIT...well, got it in good...

PokerStars - P2 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: P378.00 (VPIP: 93.10, PFR: 55.17, 3Bet Preflop: 45.45, Hands: 35)
Hero (SB): P226.00

Hero posts SB P1.00, BB posts BB P2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: P3.00) Hero has A A

Hero raises to P4.00, BB raises to P378.00 and is all-in, Hero calls P222.00 and is all-in

Flop: (P452.00, 2 players) 8 4 2

Turn: (P452.00, 2 players) T

River: (P452.00, 2 players) Q

Spoiler:
BB shows Q 8 (Two Pair, Queens and Eights) (Pre 14%, Flop 18%, Turn 11%)
Hero shows A A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 86%, Flop 82%, Turn 89%)
BB wins P432.00

Last edited by Studebaker Hawk; 10-24-2013 at 04:21 PM.
10-24-2013 , 06:09 PM


It is fun to suckout. 0.66vpp to go for chromestar.
On Stars they credit you the points after you left the table. So there is no telling how much points you accumulated.
10-24-2013 , 07:14 PM
@Studebaker

Just a reminder - you're playing no limit. You're best served to play the most exaggerated exploitable style to maximally exploit your opponents and maximize your winnings. That's something I learned with play money, and it definitely applied to certain opponents I ran into at real money tables. I could be wrong, but I honestly believe that I'm able to extract more value from fish than the average grinder b/c of my toying around with play money
10-24-2013 , 07:28 PM
If you're playing against fish who call 100% just open like 30% and open like 4-5x.

Things like weak SC or hands that can flop well just complete yourself and out play villain post flop.

If villain is completing all the time then once again just raise up strong hands and check the rest.

If villain isn't folding postflop then just go like pot pot pot with your good hands.

edit - that 30% is a made up number, the idea though just play tight and as you get more comfortable add more hands to your range.
10-24-2013 , 07:35 PM
Especially with play money, you can do things like bet in relation to effective stack size instead of pot size. eg otf, the pot is 20 and the effective stack is 200, bet 85. Just experiment with things you would never dream of doing in real money games (yet), and you'll be surprised with the results
10-24-2013 , 11:25 PM



YAY. Chromestar.
Now I can play the crap shoots freeroll.

I still have a poker itch. Continue to play poker? y/n. If y what kind of goal should I aim for?
10-25-2013 , 12:23 AM
If I was you I'd aim for 12.5k hands this month assuming that 10k has taken you all month so far.
10-25-2013 , 03:43 AM
It did took me five days. I upped my table count from 6 to 12, so that I don't play any garbage hand.
10-25-2013 , 03:52 AM
Ye, don't up your tables from 6 to 12 it's bad for your development as a player as you don't have time to think through hands properly which means you don't improve as quickly. Being a nit beats 2nl, but it doesn't beat much more.

I'd just aim for a realistic volume amount, but playing maybe 4 tables and really concentrating on getting better.
10-25-2013 , 04:14 AM
I... don't even?

    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (BB): $14.35 (287 bb)
    UTG: $4.07 (81.4 bb)
    MP: $3.14 (62.8 bb)
    CO: $2.19 (43.8 bb)
    BTN: $12.97 (259.4 bb)
    SB: $7.92 (158.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J 7 9 J
    UTG calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05, CO folds, BTN calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.75) 4 Q J (5 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, UTG calls $0.60, MP folds, BTN calls $0.60, SB folds

    Turn: ($2.55) 4 (3 players)
    Hero bets $2.10, UTG folds, BTN calls $2.10

    River: ($6.75) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $5.70, BTN calls $5.70

    Results: $18.15 pot ($0.71 rake)
    Final Board: 4 Q J 4 A
    Hero showed J 7 9 J and won $17.44 ($8.89 net)
    BTN mucked Q K 3 3 and lost (-$8.55 net)
    10-25-2013 , 04:51 AM
    I keep reading that when people donk flop they fold most of the time when raised, but my experience is that they fold almost none of the time when raised.

    At least I put in zero money while behind....

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (UTG): $5.43
    MP: $9.35 (VPIP: 34.62, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 26)
    CO: $2.43 (VPIP: 26.98, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 64)
    BTN: $5.44 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
    SB: $4.25 (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
    BB: $6.38 (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 2.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A Q

    Hero raises to $0.15, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.15, fold, BB calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.47, 3 players) 5 3 4
    BB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, BB calls $0.30

    Turn: ($1.27, 2 players) 9
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.65, BB calls $0.65

    River: ($2.57, 2 players) 6
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Spoiler:
    BB shows 6 A (One Pair, Sixes) (Pre 30%, Flop 25%, Turn 18%)
    Hero mucks A Q (High Card, Ace) (Pre 70%, Flop 75%, Turn 82%)
    BB wins $2.46


    Could have a flush draw, but by the river think it's too thin to bet given the board run out and his calling range could have made some two pair type hands.

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BTN): $6.32
    SB: $9.11 (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
    BB: $3.59 (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 45)
    UTG: $4.26 (VPIP: 29.79, PFR: 19.15, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
    CO: $4.04 (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9 7

    fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.15, SB calls $0.13, fold

    Flop: ($0.35, 2 players) 4 6 9
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.25, SB calls $0.25

    Turn: ($0.85, 2 players) 6
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40

    River: ($1.65, 2 players) 8
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Spoiler:
    SB shows 6 7 (Three of a Kind, Sixes) (Pre 33%, Flop 11%, Turn 95%)
    Hero mucks 9 7 (Two Pair, Nines and Sixes) (Pre 67%, Flop 89%, Turn 5%)
    SB wins $1.58

    Last edited by Studebaker Hawk; 10-25-2013 at 04:56 AM.
    10-25-2013 , 05:01 AM
    Sorry for all the hands, just going through last nights session and seeing some amusing ones.
    lol, never disgrace an ace.

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: $3.19
    SB: $9.01 (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 19.05, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 21)
    Hero (BB): $5.40
    UTG: $4.44 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
    MP: $3.33 (VPIP: 57.89, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 21)
    CO: $5.24 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)

    SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A A

    fold, MP calls $0.05, fold, BTN raises to $0.25, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, BTN calls $0.75

    Flop: ($2.07, 2 players) A 9 6
    Hero bets $2.20, BTN calls $2.19 and is all-in

    Turn: ($6.45, 2 players) 2

    River: ($6.45, 2 players) 7

    Spoiler:
    Hero shows A A (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 93%, Flop 93%, Turn 82%)
    BTN shows A 7 (Two Pair, Aces and Sevens) (Pre 7%, Flop 7%, Turn 18%)
    Hero wins $6.18
    10-25-2013 , 05:09 AM
    don't like shipping flop with AA. Just bet 1/3PSB and ship turn or check flop.
    10-25-2013 , 05:15 AM
    It's because he had so little left behind.
    I thought he's not calling $1.75 and holding 45c back if he's calling at all he'll probably come over the top.
    10-25-2013 , 05:24 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
    It's because he had so little left behind.
    I thought he's not calling $1.75 and holding 45c back if he's calling at all he'll probably come over the top.
    Not really that wet of a board. Tiny SPR. Against a decent player I'd be cbetting much much smaller as my range would crush that board.

    You're just giving people a chance to fold basically when we never want that.
    10-25-2013 , 05:46 AM
    You can't win if you fold

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20184121

      Hero (SB): $5.20 (104 bb)
      BB: $15.20 (304 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 Q
      Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.55, BB calls $1.10

      Flop: ($3.10) 3 T 2 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $3.65, BB folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $3.10 pot ($0.15 rake)
      Final Board: 3 T 2
      Hero showed 5 Q and won $2.95 ($1.40 net)
      BB mucked J Q and lost (-$1.55 net)



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        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20184131

        Hero (BB): $6.17 (123.4 bb)
        SB: $26.78 (535.6 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 K
        SB raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

        Flop: ($0.30) 2 9 9 (2 players)
        Hero checks, SB checks

        Turn: ($0.30) 6 (2 players)
        Hero checks, SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, SB calls $0.60

        River: ($2.10) 5 (2 players)
        Hero bets $5.12 and is all-in, SB folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $2.10 pot ($0.10 rake)
        Final Board: 2 9 9 6 5
        Hero showed 6 K and won $2 ($0.95 net)
        SB mucked 6 3 and lost (-$1.05 net)



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          Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20184141

          Hero (SB): $6.11 (122.2 bb)
          BB: $21.80 (436 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 T
          Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.30

          Flop: ($0.90) K A 3 (2 players)
          BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

          Turn: ($1.90) 7 (2 players)
          BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, BB folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $1.90 pot ($0.05 rake)
          Final Board: K A 3 7
          Hero showed 7 T and won $1.85 ($0.90 net)
          BB mucked 9 J and lost (-$0.95 net)



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            Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20184151

            Hero (SB): $5.52 (110.4 bb)
            BB: $32.05 (641 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 5
            Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

            Flop: ($0.30) 2 9 J (2 players)
            BB checks, Hero bets $0.15, BB calls $0.15

            Turn: ($0.60) K (2 players)
            BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

            River: ($1.20) J (2 players)
            BB checks, Hero bets $2.31, BB folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $1.20 pot ($0.05 rake)
            Final Board: 2 9 J K J
            Hero showed 4 5 and won $1.15 ($0.55 net)
            BB mucked 8 K and lost (-$0.60 net)



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            10-25-2013 , 06:25 AM
            H1 - Awful at every step after raising pre.

            H2 - River is awful, missing so much value. Whether calling or raising turn is better I dunno, I'd imagine calling is.

            H3 - Fold to 3bet, fold to cbet. Turn is fine I suppose as you aren't winning any other way and I doubt villains are being tricky.

            H4 - Maybe. Not 100% on the river sizing.

            I think you need to realise that when we are bluffing with streets left to come, we can choose which hands we bluff with.

            If your range looks like this
            <worst ------------------------------- best>

            Say we want to fold 25%, bluff raise 25%, call 25% and value raise 25%, how would you split up your range so that you could do that? And why.

            Last edited by MMSS; 10-25-2013 at 06:31 AM.
            10-25-2013 , 06:57 AM
            Yeah, most of these hands are complete spew TensRUs. Perhaps think about range construction a little?
            10-25-2013 , 07:13 AM
            Most of guys' volume is 6M, correct?
            10-25-2013 , 07:17 AM
            Just because you play HU doesn't mean you know what you're talking about. Just because your ranges are wider doesn't give you an excuse for them being awful.

            If you really want to, please do enlighten me on why what you did is good because my tiny little 6max brain doesn't understand.
            10-25-2013 , 07:22 AM
            Quote:
            Originally Posted by TensRUs
            You can't win if you fold

              Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20184121

              Hero (SB): $5.20 (104 bb)
              BB: $15.20 (304 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 Q
              Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.55, BB calls $1.10

              Flop: ($3.10) 3 T 2 (2 players)
              BB checks, Hero bets $3.65, BB folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: $3.10 pot ($0.15 rake)
              Final Board: 3 T 2
              Hero showed 5 Q and won $2.95 ($1.40 net)
              BB mucked J Q and lost (-$1.55 net)



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                Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20184131

                Hero (BB): $6.17 (123.4 bb)
                SB: $26.78 (535.6 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 K
                SB raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

                Flop: ($0.30) 2 9 9 (2 players)
                Hero checks, SB checks

                Turn: ($0.30) 6 (2 players)
                Hero checks, SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, SB calls $0.60

                River: ($2.10) 5 (2 players)
                Hero bets $5.12 and is all-in, SB folds

                Spoiler:
                Results: $2.10 pot ($0.10 rake)
                Final Board: 2 9 9 6 5
                Hero showed 6 K and won $2 ($0.95 net)
                SB mucked 6 3 and lost (-$1.05 net)



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                  Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20184141

                  Hero (SB): $6.11 (122.2 bb)
                  BB: $21.80 (436 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 T
                  Hero raises to $0.15, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.30

                  Flop: ($0.90) K A 3 (2 players)
                  BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

                  Turn: ($1.90) 7 (2 players)
                  BB checks, Hero bets $1.20, BB folds

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $1.90 pot ($0.05 rake)
                  Final Board: K A 3 7
                  Hero showed 7 T and won $1.85 ($0.90 net)
                  BB mucked 9 J and lost (-$0.95 net)



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                    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 2 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #20184151

                    Hero (SB): $5.52 (110.4 bb)
                    BB: $32.05 (641 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is SB with 4 5
                    Hero raises to $0.15, BB calls $0.10

                    Flop: ($0.30) 2 9 J (2 players)
                    BB checks, Hero bets $0.15, BB calls $0.15

                    Turn: ($0.60) K (2 players)
                    BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

                    River: ($1.20) J (2 players)
                    BB checks, Hero bets $2.31, BB folds

                    Spoiler:
                    Results: $1.20 pot ($0.05 rake)
                    Final Board: 2 9 J K J
                    Hero showed 4 5 and won $1.15 ($0.55 net)
                    BB mucked 8 K and lost (-$0.60 net)



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