Does anyone have a RunItOnce membership here? If so is it worth it?

I call quits for the day.

77vpp to go for chromestar.

You guys should follow jcarver on youtube. He is pretty entertaining and you learn, too. He is putting his thoughts in simple words for everyone to understand.
http://www.youtube.com/user/JCarverPoker/videos

Can't believe I didn't have the discipline to fold. :/

Short answer: Yes.

Really good content IMO.

3b/f pre ainec

My results haven't been there in the last few days. Every time I've moved up to 10nl I've gotten destroyed and had to grind 5nl again.

I hate grinding the microstakes. :/ It's hard to feel motivated to grind something that is chump change compared to work, but considering I'm struggling beating 10nl I'm not confident in my ability to deposit enough and play at a level that would have some decent returns.

Down $200 this month. Bankroll is at $260. 5nl, here I come!



The worst part is I've stopped questioning variance and started questioning skill, which is a huge hit in confidence for when I sit at the tables.

Kinda thin, kinda not

It's tough to grind, I feel you. Maybe it would be beneficial if you compare your stats of 5nl to 10nl to see if you're doing something different. Your post implies that you have already moved up and down again a few times, so because of that you might play a bit scared (unconscious perhaps): you might be affraid of falling back when you just got to 10nl because it already happened a few times. Maybe it's because you're scared because there is more money on the line. Or it might be something different. But I'll go ahead and say that if you were a decent winner at 5nl over a large enough samplesize, you should be good enough to beat 10nl. Have you read The Mental Game of Poker? I'm reading it right now and I can assure you you would benefit from reading it, it would def help your 'moving up' process.



Stats would def help (if you got any on him) in this spot. I assume he's pretty fishy because of preflop (3betting and then just calling a 4bet of that size seems bad to me but I might be wrong).
You say it is kinda thin, kinda not but that is pretty much player dependent. Against most fish I would cbet flop for value because I assume he would be calling with every gutshot, SD, Tx, Kx, JJ and maaaybe some Ax (prob not but fish are fish so who knows.)

Turn could be slightly bigger ($1.50 or so).

I would check river though. I don't see any worse hands that can call here except JJ and maybe some Ax. Most hands are just going to fold though and the hands he does call with are prob all Kx and Tx

IMO river is too thin. You can only get value from specifically JJ, unless he's bad enough to call AQ here. Some will check AK OTT in his spot, or even AA if they have it after pre. Add to that the fact that JJ won't always call and you're prob behind his calling range.

I just posted the hand for lulz, but I guess the HH is worth discussing. Plus it would be pretty douchy for me to not wanna talk about it after posting it

Boats never check in this spot (hopefully that's obv), and neither of us have Kx. This is the villain's first 3bet and my first 4bet, and there's essentially no reason to 4bet/fold early in a match, eliminating AA.

Additionally, I can't imagine any Tx being in Villain's 3bet/calling range. So the vast majority of Villain's range is strong Ax type hands. My flop check and turn bet sizing under-rep my hand pretty well imo, making ace high look pretty good on a 2-pair board

Btw, I chose the turn bet sizing to get value from worse pairs and Ax. If I bet any more than 1/3rd pot, Villain would have to chose between shoving and folding because of my stack size.

I'm not sure what range you would put me on if you were in Villain's spot, but I don't see how you would find a fold with Ax otr given my line

Given the money goes in in 2 streets postflop, I don't think we can exclude hands from either player's range after the flop xb. I think calling Ax on the river would be pretty terrible in villain's spot for that reason - plus, what bluffs can you have? Remember that you're probably cbetting nearly all your air on this flop too (especially if we're assuming that you cbet the flop with your value hands), most of your light 4bets are Ax in the first place and a lot of those will xb the river. Not sure if you even have any light 4bets given sizing pre (which is much too big FWIW).

I'd like to know what you put him on after he calls your 4bet. I would agree with you that he shouldnt have any Tx in his range after pre (only TT) but then again, what hand just calls a 4bet with 100 bb eff stacks?? The more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think it is JJ/QQ/AK/AQ but I dont know, something about that range just doesnt seem right.

If I was villain and I would have played it like this preflop, Id probably put you on AA/KK/QQ/AK/(maybe JJ?) after preflop and on KK/QQ/(JJ) after flop. The reason I include KK after flop is because I could see some people slowplay top set on a relatively dry board like this.

But yeah, interested in hearing what range you think villain has after he calls your 4bet pre

Edit: lol **** this post, TDA's post looks way better

I have changed my game a bit for 10nl, but I've changed it for 5nl at the same time. I've started 3-betting more frequently, and calling less frequently. I used to play 23/18 or something, where as now I'm playing 23/21, but I don't think that's the issue.

It might just be a subconscious thing after all where I play differently because of the change in stakes, I'm unsure. I'm comfortable splashing around with $10 though.

Currently reading The Mental Game Of Poker at the moment. Yet to finish it, but it's a great book. It's helped me with a lot of "u-huh" moments. As the book states in the opening chapters though, it's not designed for you to read and bam boom you're tilt free, but it just gives you methods to help with tilt. For now I still have tilt issues. Sometimes people will turn up with a hand and I'll just say "f***", and continue caring about that hand while not focusing on the next 10 hands or so.

I've noticed one huge issue of mine is that I don't think too frequently during hands. It's just "Well he could have this I suppose", which is a huge issue. I'm unsure if I should be waiting until I've had a bit of a rest prior to playing so I'm a bit sharper.



Regarding the hand above, I definitely think it's too thin. At the same time, Villain's 3b/calling range is going to be hands that are strong but not strong enough to GII preflop. AQ/JJ is a prime example of this. Would he call turn/river with JJ? Unsure. Any good player wouldn't unless we were playing higher stakes and had some 4bet bluffing range. Would he call turn/river with AQ? He might thinking you went crazy with a weird hand, but I'm still a bit unsure he'd call there.

Then again, it's microstakes, so loltheory.

What'd he have? PM me if you want to keep it a secret.

@F2012

This is HU. TT+, AK, maybe AQs get it in pf readless

I give the Villain's flatting range ATs - AQs, 88 - TT (half the combos of AQs and TT flat, other half jam)

Please elaborate, because I think my value range gets cut down significantly after my flop check as the pf 4bettor, namely AK, AA
I disagree, this is a 4bet pot. Hands are played relatively straightforward because there is less fold equity
Am I not repping air a lot given this logic? Again, it's clear neither of us have Kx and it's unlikely I have Tx since I 4bet pre. I also don't know why my sizing is too big, if anything I think it should be bigger since it's likely that the Villain's 3bet is for value instead of air

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So glad I don't play in games where GTO matters lol. This is a highly relevant point - the HH was on Bovada, not Stars. So it's not like I was playing a FR nit and he decided to sit me while I decided to start a 5NL FR table

I couldn't really conceive anyone checking back TP+ otf, but I guess it's possible.

I'm pretty sure it all comes down to this, though:

The likelihood of Villain checking a hand that beats us otr VS him finding a hero call

I mean the only hand we realistically lose to is AA, and imho that hand isn't even in the Villain's range. I also think the pot is set up so that I can get called by worse. If you agree that boats never check river and that it's extremely rare for Villain to have AA here, I don't see a problem with shoving since we get hero called much more often than Villain has us beat, or at least much more often than the pot odds of our shove dictate

I don't agree that boats never check river. After x/c turn it sucks to donk river. That said, I think it's just too thin, not far too thin.

I'm ganna shove some numbers in, just cuz I should.

Our river shove with the intention of getting called: 3:1

So we need to be good 25% of the time to break even

6 combos of AA

6 combos of JJ
4 combos of AJs
8 combos of AQ

We beat 18 combos and lose to 6, aka 75% of potential river x'ing range from Villain

I'd add some combos of AK, KQ and get rid of some AA, AJ, AQ from that range. Also, you need to be good 50% of the time to make any vbet more +EV than checking back.

Right, math. lol I should learn it sometime

Although I can't imagine responses changing much, it'd be cool to get a few more opinions before showing the results. If I was smart I would've taken out the Villain calling the shove lol, oh well

OlyBrah. I'd be willing to bet a lot that. 23/18 with less 3betting is a far better strat than 23/21 with more at 10nl. Even at 100 I likely have big disparities because people are so bad postflop

+1, the one thing which might point the other way is the greater effective rake at 10NL.

Decided to swap to MTT from cash games, been doing okay so far, they seem a ton softer than 25NL

Varience though

Some hands from today (perhaps more later). I think a couple of them are arguably played pretty badly tbh, not on my game today.

1) Actually, this one I played okay, it just tilted me a little.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $25.70
SB: $28.23 (VPIP: 9.09, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 11)
BB: $25.00 (VPIP: 25.33, PFR: 21.33, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 81)
UTG: $40.80 (VPIP: 23.88, PFR: 13.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 137)
MP: $38.71
CO: $18.87

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A 9

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.75, fold, fold, CO calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.85, 2 players) T 3 9
CO checks, Hero bets $2.02, CO calls $2.02

Turn: ($7.89, 2 players) 6
CO checks, Hero bets $4.14, CO calls $4.14

River: ($16.17, 2 players) K
CO checks, Hero checks



2) Unsure about the best line here. I think checking the turn is more acceptable given PF positions but I'm not certain. Would cbet normally but villain seemed passive over a small sample.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $26.67 (VPIP: 12.86, PFR: 8.57, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 70)
SB: $29.67 (VPIP: 16.57, PFR: 12.15, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 185)
Hero (BB): $52.85
UTG: $21.89 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 26.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
MP: $39.50 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 12.24, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 50)
CO: $62.45

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q Q

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.50, UTG calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.10, 2 players) T A 5
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($5.10, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($10.10, 2 players) A
Hero checks, UTG bets $7.25, Hero calls $7.25



3) Actually, another hand I think is pretty standard. Fish gon' fish I guess. I'm probably 3betting light a little too much vs this guy in this spot (considering I'm also 3betting AJ most of the time) but he's folding 78% to 3bets over a reasonable sample so as long as I don't go too crazy I should be okay.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $10.98 (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 49)
SB: $24.75 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: $30.07 (VPIP: 22.75, PFR: 18.68, 3Bet Preflop: 7.90, Hands: 936)
UTG: $44.93 (VPIP: 23.00, PFR: 18.08, 3Bet Preflop: 10.64, Hands: 868)
Hero (MP): $43.17
CO: $58.23 (VPIP: 18.87, PFR: 9.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 54)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A 2

UTG raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, BTN calls $2.25, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.50

Flop: ($7.10, 3 players) A A 7
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $8.73 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $8.73

Turn: ($24.56, 2 players) 5

River: ($24.56, 2 players) 8



4) Fishregs gon' fishreg. Not bluffing here without history, especially not often enough to justify this call when he can have QQ, TT and sometimes KK.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $25.25 (VPIP: 11.96, PFR: 7.61, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 94)
SB: $95.24 (VPIP: 15.96, PFR: 10.90, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 385)
BB: $56.98 (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: $48.67
MP: $25.00 (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 16.24, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 122)
Hero (CO): $31.92

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A A

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, Hero raises to $2.25, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.85, 2 players) T 7 7
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.05, UTG calls $3.05

Turn: ($10.95, 2 players) 7
UTG checks, Hero bets $6.90, UTG calls $6.90

River: ($24.75, 2 players) 4
UTG checks, Hero bets $19.72 and is all-in, UTG calls $19.72



5) Checked flop to protect my checking range a little because I don't want regs to be able to either vbet every ****ty Kx+ against me or bluff everything. Thought about bluffing the river, still not certain about that one, think I can probably bluff often enough with QJ, QT etc.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $27.46 (VPIP: 28.07, PFR: 19.30, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 117)
SB: $34.91 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: $25.00 (VPIP: 19.16, PFR: 16.48, 3Bet Preflop: 11.22, Hands: 270)
UTG: $25.85 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: $47.40 (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (CO): $53.14

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K T

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60, 2 players) K 2 Q
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.60, 2 players) 9
BB bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

River: ($4.00, 2 players) 3
BB checks, Hero checks