I agree, but that probably doesn't affect the result very much. It's not as though we had outs against those hands that we don't against most others.

It already isn't there. But maybe you meant to remove 55?

I would definitely not. I can't see a 37/10 going nuts over TPTK when "top pair" is a 7.

Pokerstove handles this automatically when it does the equity calculation.

Agreed.

thanks

Please critique this.
villain was 47/0.

To avoid setmine, i raised 6x bb, moment he called i put him on
pair, AXs,KXs,JTs etc.


please suggest a line...including pre flop raise amount..got welded to KK

easy fold here right???

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MP: $4.28
CO: $2.72
BTN: $2.13
SB: $2.01
BB: $5.67
Hero (UTG): $2.27

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.12, MP calls $0.12, 3 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.37) 8 J 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.37, MP raises to $1.48, BB folds, Hero raises to $2.15 all in, MP calls $0.67

Turn: ($4.67) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($4.67) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

I can't really say I'd play that hand any differently than you did. I personally find the 6x bet a bit excessive but I wouldn't say it's a bad bet.

You lost then... For the same reason you don't post the actual results of a hand, try not to hint at the outcome as it will bias peoples judgement as well. Here by asking people to agree that it's an easy fold, and saying you got welded to KK is a strong hint that you lost and ended up getting it in behind.


Villain had AhXh, unlucky move on. Well played.

This guy barely even knows what the word "raise" means. IMO "etc." includes a heck of a lot.

True, but really...

How often are 47/0 preflop players aggressive postflop? If he was like 47/20 that's different.

An overpair and a FD on the flop means opponent can already have the flush. A guy with stats like this can probably have nearly any two hearts, though. Or a straight or a set. Or two pair. So our draw is almost always good (if it hits) but I'd be surprised if our pair was ever good, and our draw is often (maybe not that often) only 7 outs instead of 9.

This guy will show up with top pair so often it's not even funny. Or even a lower overpair. Pre-flop calling anything to see a flop, post-flop going crazy with anything top pair or better.

You played it fine sir. His raise doesn't ALWAYS mean you're behind. Unless you have a read he won't do this with top pair, I'd just stick it in. And if you have a read he will never do this with top pair, still stick it in for pot odds. Usually he won't show up with the flush, so we would have 11 outs, or about 40% equity. The ONLY hand you don't want to call against here is a flopped nut flush. ANYTHING else is fine. Really, don't ever fold this.

I'm never results oriented, but that's what CO gets for trying to be cute slow playing 2 pair on that board. lolz.

You have 18 outs. (9 spade, 3x 8, 2x 7, 4x 5) If he has a set, 5 of them are no good. But those are rare, and even then you're still riding 13 outs. Your biggest worry here is that he has 2 spades higher than yours, but that is pretty rare. Even then, you still have the best hand at this point.

I think the argument for shove is best here. His c/r means he has something tasty. Which means if the turn comes brick, he isn't checking again, and you're going to have to get put to a hard decision to pay hefty to see 1 more card. I think it is better to go completely over the top of his c/r, put the pressure on him to make the call, and even if he does, you're getting to see both cards at 18 outs, vs. just calling and seeing 1 card and then having to make a hard decision. On top of shoving, your position advantage no longer matters because he will be leading in to you on the turn and river. Cash game, I think this is A-OK. Tournament, maybe would require consideration of more variables, but for the most part what are you gonna do, fold? Get real. Even in a tournament this is a great scenario. I think most players would be willing to risk a double up here.

Earlier posts, ppl indicated that if a calling station raises suddenly, more often than not, our hand is behind. i meant it that way, eventhough I had KK and a draw to 2nd nut flush.

As you said, the scare of a AhXh loomed large, inspite of that I shoved in. hence welded to KK.
I was more afraid of a 9hTh


SPOT on! but i think more reads I get on a calling station's post flop raise range, it would be better. there were instances villain had a made hand and my monster draws didn't hit.

Good shove imo, in these situations with combo draws, a shove is almost always the play. Fold equity, not having to face a turn decision which will certainly give you bad odds.

Second hand is good, as said earlier, overpair + 2nd nut flush is good here. You have to realize that once a 47/0 raises your flop bet, you are always behind, question is, do the odds allow you to draw for the 4th heart? Don't have pokerstove at work, try plugging it in.

Edit: dont worry about the 9hTh, these and quads we can just ignore from analysis because these are so rare

i did a pokerstove..i was ~40% when the money went in...

You did nothing wrong with this hand.

Need help on this hand too
what is the line to take here ? 2 pair on wet board

villain was 46/11, note : huge bluffs on river on missed draws


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Hero (BTN): $2.91
SB: $4.65
BB: $0.31
UTG: $2.05
MP: $2.00
CO: $1.11

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q A
UTG calls $0.02, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.10, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.23) Q T A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.23, UTG calls $0.23

Turn: ($0.69) K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.69) K (2 players)
UTG bets $0.69, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Never folding there m8.

explain your reasoning please

You're getting 2:1 and you have a note that he makes huge bluffs with missed draws. It would help if you knew whether he sized his value bets differently, but even without that information I grudgingly call.

Also, re: not posting results, you also shouldn't post the turn and river cards when the last decision point of the hand was on the flop. That too, believe it or not, can lead to biased answers based on whether or not your hand improved.

I would have fired again on the turn. As played, I think I agree with the fold on the river.

the keyword is grudgingly call..




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Need help on this one too...

NutFD+ overcards ~ 15 outs ~ (15x4)-(15-8) = 53% ???
is this move +EV?

better line : call flop, evaluate turn??

right from pre-flop. it was a limped pot, i was OOP.

villain was 47/10. note : can go broke on TPTK, calling station, dont bluff, OL and will call pfr, min raise flop bet on draw or TPNK, 2c suck bet to invite raise on flopped set

I have trouble assigning reasonable ranges to villains esp calling stations 47/10, 67/0 types..who limp and then call a raise...

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CO: $1.76
BTN: $4.11
SB: $4.24
Hero (BB): $9.20
UTG: $5.40
UTG+1: $2.12
UTG+2: $2.90
MP1: $3.24
MP2: $4.93

CO posts a big blind ($0.02)

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is BB with J A
UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $0.02, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.02, CO checks, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, Hero raises to $0.20, UTG calls $0.18, 4 folds

Tried an ISO, was sure villain was gonna call.

Flop: ($0.49) 3 8 T (2 players)
Hero bets $0.23, UTG raises to $0.46, Hero raises to $1.87, UTG raises to $5.20 all in, Hero calls $3.33

I actually bet 1/2 pot, he minraised, going by my note..i thought i have enough outs.

{ What to do if I whiff the flop here?? check/fold?? }

On the AQ hand: you HAVE to bet the turn. I think the fold on the river is fine since we're chopping at best and behind quite often. I don't know how accurate that note is. If he always does this kind of thing with whiffed stuff it might be worth a call, but normally a fold is fine. But again, BET THE TURN! We need to get paid off by all the random K's and A's and lower 2p's.

On the AJs hand: if he minraises on the flop with TPNK/draws shoving is fine because we have the best hand if he's on a draw and have plenty of equity against top pair.

Tbh, I don't know what to think about pre-flop. It's hard to play a whiffed AJs OOP against stations/monkeys. Checking the blind here wouldn't be that terrible imo. It's a close decision for me at 2NL.

thanks
on AQ hand,
I didn't bet because I didn't know what to do if he raised

is there a guide that helps me as to how put villain over ranges over flop turn etc

You can read the hand reading CotW, and the anthology has a section on hand reading too, towards the bottom of the 4th post.

doing the same mistake again and again???



villain was 7/7 note: OL UTG = small PP


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UTG: $5.38
UTG+1: $5.07
UTG+2: $5.05
MP1: $5.00
MP2: $5.00
CO: $8.20
BTN: $5.17
Hero (SB): $6.62
BB: $5.54

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A K
UTG calls $0.05, 6 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.55) Q T 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, UTG raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.30

Should i check and call here with my GSSD?

Turn: ($1.75) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $4.75, UTG folds


3,212 games 0.001 secs 3,212,000 games/sec

Board: Qs Th 8c 4c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.229% 16.06% 06.16% 516 198.00 { AhKc }
Hand 1: 77.771% 71.61% 06.16% 2300 198.00 { 22+, AQs+, KQs, AKo }