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Old 08-24-2009, 01:35 PM   #1
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COTW: Hand Reading

This is probably my favorite topic so I'm happy to be starting the thread this week. I'll try not to get too tl;dr.

Why and What
Hand reading is important because it allows us to make better (and thus more profitable) decisions - LDO. It's a combination of figuring out what type of hand a person is likely to hold and how they will react with it. The better you are able to determine these two things (by better I mean the more narrowly you can determine their range of hands and actions) the better poker player you will be and the more money you will make.

How it works
On every street - preflop, flop, turn, and river - a player has a range of hands they will play. We use things like VPIP and position to have a base starting point, a preflop range of hands from which we scale their range down progressively on each street. What I mean by this is that preflop, their range is widest and as the action takes place, we remove more and more hands from that starting range until we finally have just a few hands remaining.

Let me put it another way: If someone cannot have a hand in their range on a previous street, they cannot suddenly have it on this street. For example, a tight ABC player raises UTG and on the turn the board is 2456. You know he is very unlikely to have any sort of 3 (or 78) in his range preflop, so on the turn it obviously makes no sense to be afraid that he has a made straight. This is a pretty simple example, but this idea should help you when facing bets that make no sense.

Useful Stats
VPIP and PFR are great stats to start with to assign a preflop range and starting point. c-bet% and fold to c-bet% are also useful to have in your HUD. Logically, you know that if someone is c-betting more often, their range is weaker, and similarly, if someone is folding to c-bets more often, their range is much stronger when they actually call. I don't like putting much stock in stats like turn c-bet% because they take a while to converge.

Profiling
Get used to profiling players until you have a more in-depth read on them. What I mean is that different player types tend to play their hands in a similar fashion. You can use VPIP and PFR to very quickly figure out what type of player someone is. Though you cannot really determine a concrete range over a small sample, you can reasonably assume that someone playing 30/0 is a passive fish and that someone playing 20/20 is aggressive, even if the sample size is only over 20 hands.

Notes
Always always always always be taking notes on your opponents. I would recommend avoiding logical and obvious notes like "limp reraises aces" and instead look for things out of the ordinary, like "check raised air on dry flop" or something like that. Anything that doesn't line up with their player profile is good to know. Notes and reads trump stats, IMO. Stats are not the be all end all. It's especially useful to note what someone's stack-off range is, if you happen to see them in an all-in pot.

Playing HUDless
As an add on to the last section, if your note taking skill is solid, then playing without a HUD is totally doable (in fact, several of the biggest mid and high stakes winners don't use a HUD, if I'm not mistaken). HUDs just allow you to play more tables. If you're playing HUDless though - and I'd recommend having a HUDless session once a week just to work on hand reading - play fewer tables and assume players are playing straightforward until you can start profiling them. "He's limped every hand this orbit, he's probably passive and we should ISO him often." "He hasn't played a hand in the first 3 orbits, and now he just reraised from the BB, he's probably pretty tight." EZ game.

Levels
This doesn't apply heavily in most cases at micro stakes but you should be thinking about it nonetheless if you want to improve your hand reading skills. It's important to determine what level a player is thinking on. Different sources label them differently but for purposes of discussion, let's say

Level 1 = What is my hand?
Level 2 = What does my opponent have?
Level 3 = What does my opponent think I have?

And so on. It's usually good enough (at micro stakes) to assume someone is playing their hand and not thinking about how it plays against your range. But it's important to be at least aware of this idea, because otherwise you could be making some very costly mistakes. The most common (and quoted everywhere) is "never bluff a fish." Why? They don't fold. Why? They're thinking on level 1. They're not putting you on a range and figuring out how their hand plays against it. You need only think on one level higher than your opponents to beat them.

Reliable lines
Always be looking for patterns and similarities in player types and how they play different strength hands. This will help you to narrow ranges down on further streets. You'll have to do the grunt work for yourself, this kind of thing takes time and observation, but in general, people are way more likely to call with a worse hand than they are to raise with a worse hand. Don't be the guy (aka me) who calls river raises too often because "they might be bluffing me this time."

Using aggression for value and hand reading
AKA, postflop poker. The good stuff. The place where money is made and real players eek out thin value when they don't have the nuts. How are they different that the guy nut pedaling or the guy folding a pair because it's not the nuts? Aggression. "Wait I thought this was a COTW on hand reading." It is. Post flop poker is a balance of aggression for value, bluffs, and dead money. Most villains you face have a very concrete range for their actions - calling, checking, and raising. This means that we get to play very optimally with marginal holdings.

To be more specific, most players want to showdown with medium hands, want to raise big hands for value, and want to either fold or bluff their air. Say you have AK on a board of A67hh and OOP vs a passive fishy player. The turn is a 4h, oh noes!!! Check fold cuz he hit his draw??? No. Bet for value 100%. Players typically want to showdown their medium hands. They don't want to turn one pair no draw into a bluff. He'll let you know if you're beat. But keep in mind ranges. If he can't have a hand you can bet for value against on the flop, he can't have it on the turn.

Tips for better hand reading
- Trust your reads and go with them! You will never get better at hand reading if you don't try and fail sometimes. You will never learn to trust your reads if you never go with them and find out you were right. Look at failure as an opportunity to improve yourself (in this context, your hand reading).

- Use PokerStove. Do you actually know what 10% of hands looks like or the various ways that 10% can be made?

- Use your tracking software for review. To quote Sounded Simple (hope it's okay, if not I will take it out, but it's just from last week's COTW anyway):

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(3) Hand Reading
Turn and river hand reading is 100x more complex than pre-flop or flop hand reading so the players who know opponents ranges will simply have an unassailable advantage.

Recently I have been using a new technique to get a grip on hand ranges;
- Open HEM/PT3 and filter for
> Single Raised Pots
> Final pot >180bb (shorter stacks are easy to play anyway)
> You are OOP (because this is tougher)
> You cbet and are called HU
> You saw a showdown


Then add these filters in turn:
> You got called
> You got raised


For both “Got Called” and “Got Raised” Manually or in excel note the
> Player Type
> Flop SPR
> Board / Board Type
> Positions
> Villains hand

Your hand or who won is not relevant, now look at the info you have on what player types are doing on the turn with what holdings.
You may want to get more specific with the filters once you see patterns emerge.

I won’t pre-empt results, if anyone wants to know what I have found then post yours here or PM me and I will tell you if they correspond to what I have found
In other words…. Do some work you lazy bums.

*Don't forget that you will need to do this analysis as you move up and/or games change over time.
Summary
It should be pretty obvious why hand reading is important. If you get better at hand reading, you will make more money.

Ok and let's get the discussion going!

edit: This wouldn't be a proper Hand Reading post without referencing and linking Pokey's Unbelievably Long Guide to Hand Reading.
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Old 08-24-2009, 01:43 PM   #2
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Re: COTW: Hand Reading

Great post, i vi. This is one of the areas I'm still working on improving, especially post-flop.

I like the idea of playing HUD-less for a day, might have to try that to test my hand reading skills later this week.

Thanks!
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Old 08-24-2009, 01:49 PM   #3
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Re: COTW: Hand Reading

Very nice post.
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Old 08-24-2009, 01:50 PM   #4
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good explanation of hand reading... using the HEM filters is prolly, er, something i should be doing.
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Old 08-24-2009, 01:52 PM   #5
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"If someone cannot have a hand in their range on a previous street, they cannot suddenly have it on this street."

I need to tape this quote to my screen immediately. Great post.
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:04 PM   #6
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Thanks for putting in the work on this post, I vi - really well organized and succinctly presented.
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:04 PM   #7
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nice post, I would have loved to see some Hand Examples though, specifically in marginal/thin spots where you would proceed mostly because of range/hand reads.

*I was also going to make a joke about a discussion on how to "soul read", but I'll refrain*
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:15 PM   #8
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A counterpoint...

From David Sklansky's book on NLHE

Concept 11: A big bet is the most relevant and accurate information available.

When someone makes a big bet, all past information takes a backseat to that big bet.

"Don't think along the lines of, 'There's no way he could have seven-four. After all, he raised preflop and he's a tight a player as they come.' Once the big bet comes out, if seven four makes a big hand, then he very possibly could have seven-four. It doesn't matter that he'd 'never' play that hand, because all the information you'd use to come to that conclusion is now less important than the fact that you're facing a big bet..."

"That isn't to say that your opponent will always have the hand you fear when the big bets come out. Of course not - but even unlikely hands should merit serious consideration."

Just thought I'd add it in there as a reminder not to get so attached to your preflop read that you ignore the later stuff.



By the way, Sklansky's NLHE book is the best poker book I've ever read.
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:17 PM   #9
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Oh definitely! Thanks for that DDAWD, I totally agree.

Also I forgot to mention.

Your actions have a huge impact on someone's range. You need to know if you'd rather play against a strong range or wide range. It's good to know how your actions shape their range, if you're betting as a bluff (when your actions isolate their range to only strong hands) or for value (when your actions don't really narrow their range down much).
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:25 PM   #10
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Here's an assignment:

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+2: $6.85
MP1: $23.00
Hero (MP2): $16.95
CO: $31.65
BTN: $10.00
SB: $8.95 (20/0/3.0, 25% donkbet in 50 hands)
BB: $15.55
UTG: $10.00
UTG+1: $7.30

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP2 with K J
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 5 J 3 (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.50) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $1

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1. What's Villain's preflop flatting range in that spot?

2. When this type of Villain donks the flop, what does it mean for his range?

3. If we were to raise instead of flat his donkbet, what would be his continuance range vs. folding range?
3a. Were we correct to flat?

4. How does the turn card affect his range, and what's the best way to proceed?
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Old 08-24-2009, 02:37 PM   #11
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Great post! Couple of observations...

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Let me put it another way: If someone cannot have a hand in their range on a previous street, they cannot suddenly have it on this street. For example, a tight ABC player raises UTG and on the turn the board is 2456. You know he is very unlikely to have any sort of 3 (or 78) in his range preflop, so on the turn it obviously makes no sense to be afraid that he has a made straight. This is a pretty simple example, but this idea should help you when facing bets that make no sense.
I read this in a book somewhere (either PNLHE or NLHTAP I think), forget exactly how they worded it , but basically they said big bets on the end should trump removing a specific hand from his range on an earlier street.
Lets say we assign villain a range using pokerstove. I think some people value small pp more highly and high cards less highly than pokerstove does. I think typically he wouldn't have a 22-66 there, but I don't know that I would raise the river with AA. But I think in general there is much truth to what you said.


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It's especially useful to note what someone's stack-off range is, if you happen to see them in an all-in pot.
I wish I did this more... Against thinking players, you have to consider that they may stack-off with less against a maniac than against you. But against unknowns (who could be on level 1), I think this is gold...


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If you're playing HUDless though - and I'd recommend having a HUDless session once a week just to work on hand reading - play fewer tables and assume players are playing straightforward until you can start profiling them.
I had to play some HUDless sessions with FTP updates, it def. makes you work on hand reading and forces/allows you to take better notes, and lets you "play poker" more than just crunch numbers, great advice.

Last edited by ddagt; 08-24-2009 at 02:39 PM. Reason: spelling... also, looks like someone else already commented on my first point...
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I gotta try this...

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Here's an assignment:

1. What's Villain's preflop flatting range in that spot?
Probably any pair, any suited Ace, good Broadways

2. When this type of Villain donks the flop, what does it mean for his range?
With a donk of 25% in a small sample, he probably donks when he's caught a piece, like a pair or draw. Not enough info to know if he's likely to CR part of his range, though, and with a small sample we don't know if he'd be likely to 3-bet a big pair preflop. So his range at this point could be 33, 55, 66-AA, AJ, KJ, QJ, maybe even JT, and a club draw

3. If we were to raise instead of flat his donkbet, what would be his continuance range vs. folding range?
Probably fold the weak middle pairs (66-88) but might continue with everything else
3a. Were we correct to flat?
No, because club draws are a big part of his range and he'd likely continue with several hands we still beat (QJ, JT, 99, TT)

4. How does the turn card affect his range, and what's the best way to proceed?
Completes a club draw, which is a good portion of his range, and the bet might indicate he's not afraid of us having a flush. He'd also likely lead with a flopped set, but would likely check/call or check/fold the weaker part of his range. As played I probably fold.
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1. Axs, Suited Broadways as low as QTs, SC as low as 78s, any pair. Probably not AA, KK. AKs or AKo could be flat or raise. possibly hands like AJo, KJo, QJo

2. I can see him donk/semi-bluffing 66-TT, any 2 club hands, and any hand Jx. 55, 33 and the unlikely JJ are probably not donking.

3. against a raise he continues with 33, 55, JJ, AJ KJ QJ JT AK AQ suited in clubs, probably for a reraise. Jx unsuited might flat, and bluffs like 66-TT fold.
3a. if my range is close then we're only a 55/45 vs. his range. it's probably best to keep his range wider because the hero's hand equity is pretty thin.

4. the turn card makes the hero an underdog to villains continuing range, and it's unlikely he would double barrel air. I think hero has to fold.
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Very well done, sir. This is one solid open for the week.

I agree about going HUDless from time to time. In fact, I played for a very long time without one and learned the hard way the value of taking proper notes. Your simple quip about writing down the actions and boards when you see something that looks "out of character" is pure gold.

I can add just one thing, which helped me improve. If (when) you're not sure about your ability to read hands, have a couple of sessions where you say out loud, even if just under your breath, the actions you are going to take and why. Absurd? Maybe not...

The idea is to force yourself to think ahead and commit yourself to a plan. How villain's (re)actions change as the board texture evolves is at the core of hand reading. After all, we use any available information to eliminate improbable or outright unlikely hands from the range we're against. When you force yourself to say those things out loud, you have no choice but to think about them before acting at all.

At some point you realise that you don't need to talk to yourself because it actually slows you down and what you were going to say was just stating the obvious.
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I can add just one thing, which helped me improve. If (when) you're not sure about your ability to read hands, have a couple of sessions where you say out loud, even if just under your breath, the actions you are going to take and why. Absurd? Maybe not...
I actually record videos for this purpose. It has the extra benefit of being able to review your session in real time and with your own comments
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