Hello guys i thought this would be a good place to ask this question. I just started playing online for about 2 months or so on Bovada. My options are limited to what sites i can play on obviously because living in the USA. It has not been to bad of a experience but the unanimous player aspect really annoys me also bovada limits you to tracking your stats to a certain degree and non of my programs work on it. So i withdrew the last of money and was considering taking a look at getting into ACR. The best thing i enjoyed about Bovada was the withdraw they do a good job of keeping track of that and i had no problems but the software is absolutely horrendous its unbearable. I'm new to the forums so i was just asking some opinion about ACR like what kind of games they run and how is the withdraw process and so forth. Thanks

If one of your problems with Bovada is the software, you're not gonna like ACR much more.

They have decent cash games, although I think the pool's smaller than Bovada, and their cashouts are relatively fast but slower than Bovada.

Dang. was hoping it was better. what about carbon that's a option for me. im basically just trying to figure out which one is the alpha dog compared to the others in most people opinions

What do you mean you're limited in tracking stats? What programs aren't working?

Holdem Indicator does not work for some reason although i may not have the updated version and i paid 100 dollar a long time ago for the Holdem Manager and Bovada does not support it.

You can get a hand converter to convert HH to pokerstars format and then upload them into HEM2/PT4 as normal.

www.acepokersolutions.com

As for HI, just update it.

ahhh thanks buddy that helps alot. looked into carbon seems pretty legit just closed account with bovada going to try out carbon software seems decent and the sites ratings beat the hell out of bovada.

carbon has serious cashout issues if you plan on withdrawing.

Are you comparing to the Bodog of recent weeks since their update, which has the Bodog thread in IP full of complaints about how completely unplayable it is much of the time?

They have doorknobs working the customer support, so you are more likely to end up jumping out a window/having a stroke than successfully getting your withdrawal attempt acknowledged. Have been getting ignored and given the runaround all day as I try to make a withdrawal through bitcoin.

Ah ****, I forgot about that. So no, I was comparing it to how it was at the beginning of the year.

I made the switch from Bovada to ACR a couple of months ago. The software at ACR is pretty bare bones, but it gets the job done. The main thing for me was that it at least
seems like you're playing against real players on ACR. I just saw too much weird sh-t in the year + I was on Bovada for me to believe that they are not loaded with bots or cheats.

And then they pull that update BS. That was the last straw for me.

Yeah I never played on Bovada mainly because of the anonymous ordeal.

I like to see who I'm playing against. I mainly play on Winning Poker Network.

I stopped playing on Merge (mainly because I busted my roll on Sports bets *facepalm* )

AGREED. the unanimous player thing just doesn't not feel right at all no telling if your playing against bots or not. Not saying its "rigged" but i have seen a lot of ridiculous plays on Bovada like pot size calls all the way to get river with nothing and then someone gets spiked. Apparently carbon is a disaster to withdraw.. that's a immediately red flag not putting my money into a site if i cant get it out so that pretty much wipes carbon off my list.

^^^ Which is pretty sad because Carbon has beautiful software. ^^^ So it would be a great place to play if you don't mind that your Carbon account balance is essentially play money LOL

Unanimous doesn't mean what you think it means.

Wow there's some ******ed posts in here.

My recommendation would be not to make the switch simply because ACR is WAY harder than bovada. 2nl on ACR plays like 25nl on bovada. Or even 50nl. That said, ACR definitely has better software.

define what u mean by harder?? better players less donks?

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Yeah, pretty much. More multi-tabling regs with reg-ish stacks and far, far fewer purely recreational players. Which, to quote Knish in Rounders, "Maybe this is a game can be beat," but there is no question that games are much softer on Bovada at comparable stakes. ACR is really only worth it if you plan on playing 8+ tables with rakeback. If you only want to play 4 or 6, play 4 and stick with Bovada. Or, play on both sites. I'm a US player and I have money on 3 different sites right now.

thanks for the advice. going to try out ACR and see how it goes and by the way are WPN and ACR the same?? or are they completely different sites and how does WPN fair with ACR ?
thanks

ahhhh i see WPN is acr and a few other sites including Black Chip Poker i guess they all are affiliated.

This. The microstakes rake is brutal and there aren't even CLOSE to enough fish to balance it out. I mean, of course you can still beat the game easily enough, but your win rate is never going to be very high. Before you make the switch, I suggest you open up the ACR lobby and check out some of the nanostakes tables. On your average day during prime time it will literally be like 10-15 tables consisting of the same 10 multitabling **** regs just sitting around playing 22/17 trading blinds and waiting to cold deck one another. You're LUCKY if there's 3 or 4 fish total across the tables. This problem is made even worse by the profuse availability and popularity of the bull**** "cap" tables and the short-stack tables, where there is a far better ratio of fish but you can't exploit them enough because of ******ed table settings.

I agree that there are the same 8 or so regs on a lot of the tables, but they are exploitable, just like every other fish. It just takes a little longer to figure out how ( compared to the fish). They are still bad, just less bad than the real fish.

That's an important distinction though. They aren't as bad, which means they're making less (WAY less, really) mistakes, so they're not giving you their money as fast. Pair this with the ridiculous rake at uNL and a lot of people are going to come out with disappointing results. The huge win rates of like 20+bb/100 people used to get at uNL through the sickening rake were achieved by pummeling the pods of 50/3 whales sitting at every uNL table pre Black Friday losing their money at like 80bb/100. It's far better to stick to a soft network like Bovada where there are more people losing money fast enough to outpace the rake by a greater margin.

I get what you're saying. I have been concentrating on tnries lately and haven't messed with cash tables much. I can say the trnies between ACR and Bovada are not that far apart as far as player skill goes from what I've seen.