He never said he 'needed' to improve. It's just a good idea.

dont play on the unregulated rigged internet.

Hey OP, what site you play on?

25NL has a heap of misplaced aggression these days. Folding every time they bet or raise won't cut it anymore. Experiment with different lines against aggro opponents and see which ones work - you can tame most of them with a bit of trial and error.

well once again my english fails to deliver the message i was trying to... what i ment when saying " no i am not worried about improving game... i am good at it...".. was that i am not worried with finding ways to improve my game... i am always about improving my game.. and i aint there to have a good time... i am there to improve my game ,get better and move up.... but i consider myself as quick learner and i am good at improving my game...

i never said i "needed" to improve just because its obvious for any player who is trying to move up its just something you need to do... and i aint no hobbyist... i am looking to get good at this game so i can beat high stakes cashgames (there long way to go tho)

i would like to repeat myself and say that i dont consider myself as very good player... but at these limits i am playing ( i am playing UB for those who missed) i am best player and i already mentioned by... just because these guys(99% of them) as so bad...
It might be something about site i play because i guess most of you dont want to play UB and if i knew about these forums and knew about UB histroy i wouldnt be playing there aswell... but since i didnt i ll stay there till i ll clear my bonus..

anyway... yesterday i was playing new style at these limits... was playing a lot more cards and i ll keep up this play and see what results it will bring... since its very likely that its the right play against these weak players...

I only read the original post but let me just tell you something. If you are 1.5ptbb/100 over 80k you are not even close to being near the best players at $25NL. I play $50NL and am crushing it at nearly 6ptbb/100 over 110k. You are a winning player and tahts great but you obviously need to fix a lot of things. getting a 5ptbb/100 at $25NL should be relatively simple playing approx 20/17/2.5-3

They may be a little less polite than we are tho

they might... havent recieved whole lot of good answers there.... but anyway i started playing TIGHT right now... and i ll see how it goes in next few weeks... right now it seems reasonable... i am like 5 buyins up in 2 days...

im a 50nl player, but ive played 90-100k hands of 25nl full ring on stars and made about $1.8K from it excluding FPPs (16-tabling for the most part, I went up to 24 but its too much for me)

no big bluffs, no tricky plays at all.. just straight ABC poker

i honestly dont think you can be a huge winner at 25NL. I'll believe it when I see it. it's not that the games are hard. they're super easy. I just think a good player is bound to be a decent winner but not a HUGE winner because of the unpredictable nature of the game and because of the rake. it's often no use trying to put opponents on a hand : they have no ****ing clue. even if you think they have nothing, DO NOT BLUFF THE RIVER. control yourself, because they often will put you on a bluff and call with bottom pair. knowing that, you know exactly how to beat those guys : value bet the **** out of them when you actually do have a strong hand.

the only street you should bluff is c-betting the flop. if that fails and you dont feel like you have the best hand, you just give up.

yeah thats what i started to do last 2 days... c-bet like 90% of flops HU and give up if called... and i am surprised on how much they fold on c-bets... even in 3bet pots... so i figured i gonna improve my self read/understand and keep playing just solid ABC poker because i am know i can easily beat them with that... and once the time is right and i have enought BR i ll move up to NL50....

p.s 16 tables are sick lol tho i follow fees guide and play 4 tables max...

Aren't you the language lawyer ... OK, lets compare:

you should always breath.
you need to breath.

Your right, I was way off base equating "should always" with "need". Sheesh, you'd think I had said Alberto Gonzales has a perfect memory.

i read fees post and i think he makes a lot of sense

i 16+ table 25nl because i feel like ive beaten the game already. i just played it to grind up my roll from 1K to 2K so I could give 50nl another shot more comfortably (ended up losing several buyins my first shot). 100nl is where ill start focusing a lot more on each hand.

25nl i just play by some rules that i apply to nearly every situation. you have to avoid the regs, and understand the fish. most fishes play the same. when they c-bet you from OOP, dont take it for a regular c-bet. they're showing strenght. it's safe to put them on middle pair or better.

when they minraise the turn, they have the nuts. put aside your curiosity and your ego. if youre in doubt, you're beaten. just fold, even if "it's just 4$ more in a 14$ pot"

when they overshove the river..... it usually means they slowplayed the nuts. it's occasionally a bluff but only call if the player seems crazy with stats like 70/35/9.5 or if he's been doing it often

etc.

almost never slowplay a big hand or anything like that. you dont beat the fish by 'outsmarting' them, you beat them by playing tighter and more aggressively than them and walking all over them.

we all know these things already, i guess im just rambling


oh yeah, if youre only 4-tabling you should probably practice table selection. avoid the regs, the nits and the shortstackers. you want to play against horrible fully stacked loose players.

yeah i ve started doing table seletcion in last weeks and its great.... tho i am playing UB right now ( as i already said 10 times) and there are just low traffic... like 10-15 tables at peek hours at best.... so i cant run away from regs... tho like i mentioned before even regs are weak at UB so its not that hard ( i mean if i see anyone limping and calling hands like KT/KJ off from SB... well then i don consider them as any good) for me to play against them... i usually try to make a life harder for the ones on my right and play back ones on my left when i am stealing blinds...

btw what does exactly nit mean? i cant find that on dictionary or anything...

nit is short for "nitpicker"

it's a really tight preflop player who rarely plays anything less than 88+/AK

You will then need the URBAN dictionary http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nit

why should i be avoiding nits? i know few who are sooo tight that its just easy to play against them... thx for dictionary link btw

theyre just not the most profitable to play against. for sure you can beat them, but from grinding 25NL there are some korean nits that I have 2000+ hands with in my pokertracker and after all those hands, I never won a significant pot against them. the only time i like them is if they're close to me on the left so i can take down their blinds if nothing more.

its not too interesting to play them because there are pretty much only 2 ways to stack them : AA vs KK, flopped set vs KK/AA and even then it's possible they'll fold if the board's scary.

it's 10x better to play against guys wholl stack off TPTK everytime when they overplayed AJ from early position

i have fullring in mind though. 25nl fullring has some total rocks who only play 8% of the hands. there is no way that 6max is attracting such players so its probably not something you need to think about.

Nerdy people are voting down on all the poker terms and upping the 'Nerding it up' abbreviation, I say we own their asses.

I've just recently started back up poker again due to the WCOOP "bonus" and recent money from my summer job. I am currently 9 tabling and with 20k hands under my belt I am running 11/7/4 while winning at a 12 PTBB/100. I know its a small sample size but I think its totally possible for someone to 9 table and have a pretty high winrate at 25NL FR. The play is extremely soft and very easy to play against. The only time when I play "tricky" is when I c/r a regular who has made a cbet on a missed flop. Thats pretty much the extent to which the play gets complicated, other than that tight-aggressive abc poker is the winning strategy.

During the school year I logged around 100k hands at 25NL and won at around 9 PTBB/100 running at 9 tables as well. I just think you are either bluffing your stack off too frequently with AK/AQ on a missed flop to someone you see with stats of 40/2/1. While it works sometimes, you risk your stack for just a small pot. Just tighten up and don't let your ego get to you when you get raised and have to fold.