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Do You call a shove from a new player who had not exhibited lunacy as of yet when you hold AK? Do You call a shove from a new player who had not exhibited lunacy as of yet when you hold AK?

04-11-2010 , 02:42 PM
its only a $5 pot, this is a snapcall.
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04-11-2010 , 02:49 PM
i would call this pre as i would stack off with AK most of the time. But if you dont want to flip with ti i guess you can always fold. I dont think folding is that bad anyways. (if you dont want to flip with villians in these spots)

You may be flipping and you can also be dominating. I seen villians like this do with random air because they lost a big hand on another table.
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04-11-2010 , 02:51 PM
NL5 and that would be a fold.
I got 40k hands on NL5 so talking from my own experience, only time that's profit if when you see someone openshove 5 times in a row. Otherwise it's at best a coinflip.
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04-11-2010 , 03:57 PM
Hello,

All good responses. In regards the Sit and Go, I was led to think/believe that one must go for flips in order to accumulate the chips in order to win/cash high. IN any event.

I was running according to my Poker Tracker graphic terribly under expectation for my last 18 of 20 thousand hands, and thought that even If I was flipping I had some deserved and due justification/correction of the numbers.

For the individual who wanted the result/ what the mule held in his cards I was told not to reveal this, if after some time with absent responses and unless someone objects I shall include as those who have had their say have had their say without the negative influence of the outcome.

Thank You
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04-11-2010 , 03:58 PM
Spaz shoves like this can mean all sorts of things Usually if a player does this once he is going to do it multiple times. My general plan is to let others play sheriff so I can figure out the countours of his range on someone else's dime. But AK dominates so many of Villain's potential holding that I would call here.
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04-11-2010 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredron
NL5 and that would be a fold.
I got 40k hands on NL5 so talking from my own experience, only time that's profit if when you see someone openshove 5 times in a row. Otherwise it's at best a coinflip.
At 5nl, I'm still calling this. Unless someone gives me a reason to fold(bad nit, etc), I'm calling this.
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04-11-2010 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kubbekaster
Your bankroll should never influence your play. If you don't have big enough roll to play 2 NL, play runescape instead.
Well, there are other reasons to want to play a low-variance game at the expense of a slightly decreased winrate. For example, if you play semi-professionally and need to make a withdrawal every month or two, avoiding situations where you're no better than 52% against a realistic range (i.e. AKo facing a shove with a tiny fraction of your stack invested).
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04-11-2010 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Happy
Well, there are other reasons to want to play a low-variance game at the expense of a slightly decreased winrate. For example, if you play semi-professionally and need to make a withdrawal every month or two, avoiding situations where you're no better than 52% against a realistic range (i.e. AKo facing a shove with a tiny fraction of your stack invested).
Though I can understand your argument, I don't see a point in playing cards if you aren't willing to make moves that are favorable at any level.

If it's an issue of reduced variance, move down. The thought of folding a 52% edge, especially if I have any money invested, makes me sick.
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04-11-2010 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SexyBoy
I would never CALL a shove with AK in a cash game. Good chance he will turn over QQ+.
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04-11-2010 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Happy
Well, there are other reasons to want to play a low-variance game at the expense of a slightly decreased winrate. For example, if you play semi-professionally and need to make a withdrawal every month or two, avoiding situations where you're no better than 52% against a realistic range (i.e. AKo facing a shove with a tiny fraction of your stack invested).
wat

look if you are a professional player who needs to withdraw a fixed amount every month you play with 100bi+

I don't get what this 52% comes from.

Theres dead money, and gambling is fun. wat are you talking about
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04-11-2010 , 07:00 PM
call
That is all.
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04-11-2010 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
wat

look if you are a professional player who needs to withdraw a fixed amount every month you play with 100bi+

I don't get what this 52% comes from.

Theres dead money, and gambling is fun. wat are you talking about
http://blinderspoker.blogspot.com/20...e-playing.html

52% comes from the fact that AKo is no better than 52% against a reasonable preflop shoving range, although like I said this doesn't really apply at 2NL. In situations where there's very little dead money (like, a few BBs as in the example in the OP), passing up a very marginally +EV spot will reduce your overall winrate but significantly decrease your variance.

I'm not saying that I personally fold in these spots, because I don't play to minimize my variance, but there are a few logically sound argument for doing so. I particularly like the reasoning in the blog post I linked to that playing low variance minimizes tilt (a huge source of loss for many players).
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04-11-2010 , 08:03 PM
Anything that reduces your overall winrate increases your variance.
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04-11-2010 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Anything that reduces your overall winrate increases your variance.
Care to explain?
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04-11-2010 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bubonicplay
its only a 100bb pot....
fyp
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04-11-2010 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by DiggertheDog
Anything that reduces your overall winrate increases your variance.
Ummm, no.
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04-11-2010 , 08:44 PM
Here's a counterexample: you can reduce your winrate to zero by not playing. Amazingly enough, if you do this you reduce your variance to zero also.
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04-11-2010 , 08:46 PM
Alen Boksic > Alan Bostick
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04-11-2010 , 08:50 PM
how the f does this thread have 46 replies?

op: who cares, its just 2$ ffs, you re not drawing dead even if he has AA, why wouldnt you gamble?
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04-11-2010 , 09:02 PM
But it is nice to see this Giblet chap start a real thread.With actual discussion.
And he is posting in the correct forum(beginners) so don't give him a lot of sh*t about it.
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04-11-2010 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Krax
how the f does this thread have 46 replies?

op: who cares, its just 2$ ffs, you re not drawing dead even if he has AA, why wouldnt you gamble?
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04-11-2010 , 09:05 PM
Smacking down idiots != discussion
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04-11-2010 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamie Goldeen
Alen Boksic > Alan Bostick
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04-11-2010 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Here's a counterexample: you can reduce your winrate to zero by not playing. Amazingly enough, if you do this you reduce your variance to zero also.
You have not reduced your winrate to zero - you have just ceased playing.
Your winrate is just in stasis from the last hand you played.
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04-11-2010 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AlanBostick
Smacking down idiots != discussion
Go look at his other threads/posts. Compared to that, this is discussion.
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