Hello,

The man had numbers as follows. 30/5/0 But he was only at the table for twenty hands.

He was BB, I thought as I called it was a flip and He had JACKS QUEENS Maybe the ACE ACE(in which case I would turn off computer and leave the room)


Was this a mistake on my part without having proper numbers on him? This is cash and not Sit and Go, so I think it might be.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $3.22
UTG: $2.19
UTG+1: $3.11
MP1: $1.17
MP2: $2.00
CO: $1.34
BTN: $1.72
Hero (SB): $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with K A
6 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BB raises to $3.22 all in, Hero calls $1.94 all in

Flop: ($4.00) 5 9 8 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($4.00) 4 (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($4.00) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)

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Thank You

Edit post and delete results, quick...

Ok, I have removed them.

Should I not give this information? Why not?

yea u gotta call this every day. cant believe u started a thread asking this. in the worst case scenario its a flip imo. give me reasons why u wouldnt call?

influences peoples judgement. it is alot easier to be critical of ones play when they can see the results.

Giblet - because people will start giving you results orientated answers. I don't really hate folding here given that villain has shown the capacity to be passive in the small time we've spent playing with him, I don't think you'd be making a huge mistake either way.

Love love love the thread title btw.

Hello,

Schoolboy, I do not want to flip in a cash game. I do not mind it in the Sit and Go, but in cash much different. This was my only hesitancy.

I had looked over AK in POkertracker the other day and found I was not profiting when I shoved/call shove with the hand. I was running into large pairs.

I felt here, it was odd for some reason, why shove if he had a good hand and not raise? I was at the table and playing tight, so I was not acting like a mule who would get it in with any connected and color coordinated piece of trash. I had checked him and he was only playing one table, also, and I found the only good players at this level are either Hidden or playing many tables.
Thank You.

Ok Thank you also Jamie Goldeen, I will hide results from now on.

i understand wat goldeen is sayin, but why would a player that has not expressed any forms of lunacy do this? i think a player like this would play aces/kings/queens alot slower. is especially with only 2 left in it. at 2nl i cant see how this can be folded.

maybe we see things different, as i am more of a tournament oriented player. i would much rather flip in a 2nl cash game than in a SNG. i would rather flip with AK and lose 2 dollars than flip in a sng and be put out. u can always reload and when u do reload, and this player makes a random shove again or in the future, u have more knowledge of wat he is holding.

truth is, villian was thinking
7 HART 8 HART? NAIS HEND! MONEY IN

A 2NL this is a call all day. Your slightly behind vs. part of his range, yet villain will also do this with Axs at this level plus some KQs hands.

Call call call!!!

It's worth taking a flip with AKs in this kind of spot because when you're not flipping, you're dominating an AQ/AJs type of hand more often than you're running into AA/KK and you can also find yourself up against another AK.

At the micros, people are making this kind of play pretty frequently. Even against a tight (for a spewtard 2NLer shoving >150BB over a 3BB raise) range of JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ you're a marginal favourite. Add all other pairs, KQ(s), ATs and AJo and you're more than 55% to win.

That said, if you're on a tight bankroll and need to reduce variance, a case can be made for folding AKo in these spots. But probably not at 2NL.

I would never CALL a shove with AK in a cash game. Good chance he will turn over QQ+.

click the button to the left of raise

At 2nl, I'd go so far to say that this is a fistpump.

Villains don't get nitty about what they're going to ship pre until 10NL, and then they slowly expand their preflop shipping ranges as you go up.

At 2NL it's easily conceivable that every player limps or calls raises with any 2 cards. Also if they catch a pair it never enters their minds you could have overpair and they shove a lot of times just with any pair if they think you hold high cards. Myself personally I would end up folding and wait for a better read on villain and a better hand. Others might not agree but thats my take...

Edit - Didn't see it was all in preflop.. Thought he shoved on the flop. I call villain all day long at this level..

Your bankroll should never influence your play. If you don't have big enough roll to play 2 NL, play runescape instead.

And this is def def a call against a bad 2 NL player. (Which he has to be as he shoves 100 bb's into a 3 bb's raise.) Also, overraises pre often idicates something quite strong, but a hand that villain would like to be done with before the flop. Expect to see to high cards or a medium pair here alot.

So what did villain have?

Looking at my hands in HEM, AK is solid red for me, which means I'm big loser with it. AK and AQ are sexy hands, easy to over-value and get in lots of trouble with. OP is perfect example, Hero gets it all in pre, then the board runs out and he has Ace-high. I've gotten to where I dump AKo lots of time. Especially late in tournaments. I fold AK here unless villain has exhibited lunacy. But mabe I'm just snake-bit.

It should be the other way around. In cash games you can take advantage of marginal spots. You can always rebuy. In tournies flipping for stacks when you're deep is not an optimal spot because of the payout stucture.

Sample size? Stakes?

Post flop mistakes could also be a factor for those negative numbers, which really should be in the black (at all stakes).

Worst case is not that it's a coin toss; worst case is that the villain holds AA and we are a huge dog.

BUT, given that this is 2NL, the villain is doing this with a lot of hands that we dominate, as well as coinflips and AA/KK. This is an easy call.

wat

I'm guessing this is because you stack off on turns with tptk where you are almost always behind.

This is the easiest call.