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12-14-2012 , 03:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
My reason for the squeeze is that PFR was folding to enough 3bets that it was probably instantly profitable and my hand is a good one to do it with as I can barrel lots of boards with equity. I'm more asking about postflop. Villain is looking like a TAG reg.
If villain is a reg then i guess u have 2 choices. Maybe bet flop with ur outs and ch/fold turn, or barrel 3 streets.
Personally i prefer barreling as it makes it much harder for villain to put us on a hand in the future, but personal preference i guess.
What i wouldn't want is a reg who thinks he can just call us down in 3bet pots and take it away when we stop betting
12-14-2012 , 11:07 AM
Ended -1.2 BIs after a 3 hour session. 5NLHU

This hand was weird.

Hero [67] raises to .15
Villain raises to .40
Hero calls

Flop - K6K

Villain checks
Hero bets .40
Villain calls

Pot - .80

Turn - K6K7

Villain checks
Hero bets 2.10
Villain folds

After the match he told me he had QQ

Then this happened 20 hands later

Villain raises to .15
Hero [44] calls

Flop - 394

Hero bets .15
Villain calls

Pot - .60

Turn - 394Q

Hero checks
Villain checks

River - 394QJ

Hero checks
Villain bets .70
Hero raises to 2.70
Villain calls with 99

Villain time banked while asking in chat if I had the straight...I was like omffggg I'm behind plz fold.

Completely value-owned mysef...I'm the worst

The traffic on Bovada isn't that bad. I was thinking it would be hard to get action heads up...especially at 3:30am lol. I told myself that I would end my session if I don't get action for 15 mins straight, and that never happened. I think this one guy would short stack, hit and run, then wait until the 5 minute restriction is over so he could sit back at my table again with another short stack. Not sure since all I see is "Player 1" lol

Last edited by TensRUs; 12-14-2012 at 11:13 AM.
12-14-2012 , 04:49 PM
tens - why is your hand posted in this weird way?
12-14-2012 , 05:03 PM
1st hand makes like no sense.. u have 67 of clubs yet the turn is 7 of clubs?
And the pot is 0.80 yet ur betting 2.10?

hand 2 is lolsy, Bovada seems like a complete joke if that guy is time banking n questioning folding there.. If u fold there u should probably quit poker for the rest of ur life, thats how bad it is.
oh n LOL at his turn check.. ****ing goof
12-14-2012 , 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunna100
If villain is a reg then i guess u have 2 choices. Maybe bet flop with ur outs and ch/fold turn, or barrel 3 streets.
Personally i prefer barreling as it makes it much harder for villain to put us on a hand in the future, but personal preference i guess.
What i wouldn't want is a reg who thinks he can just call us down in 3bet pots and take it away when we stop betting
This is going to make me sound like a real degen, but I prefer barreling as I err on the side of betting when it's a bet/check tossup.
12-14-2012 , 07:25 PM
w the 54dd hand u guys r talkin about, id rather either cbet flop n check OR triple barrel with river shove.. Depends on my villain.. vs reg prob lean towards trip barrel shove cuz if he has Jx, hes gonna need to pause on river n realize that hes losing to JJ+ n really only beats a bluff..

Betting turn n then jus c/fing river is too weak.. Better to just not bet turn, and if he has weak Jx he wont even bet it hes looking for SD anyway..
12-14-2012 , 07:38 PM
No HH on Bovada, had to do it the old fashioned way.

For hand 1...8c not 7c lol...bet sizing is right though

After the hand, I realized how bad that bet was since a K is like 40% of his 3bet range lol. During the hand I put him on 88-TT, AJ, AQ.

Im pretty sure I would've been up for the session if it wasn't for the sick rake. Goddamn I need rakeback lol. From the 2 sessions ago where I lost 4 BIs, I think I plugged one of my leaks - which was basically opening 100% then cbetting most of the time for the 33% of the time the BB defends. Opening 100% is fine as long as I don't put another chip in the pot post flop (since BBs postflop equity is so high compared to mine). Common sense but yeah...just starting on this hu cash extravaganza
12-14-2012 , 11:10 PM
Dude ur playing w/o rakeback?

Thats what fishies do?

Are you a fishie?

Never play anything w/o rakeback.
12-15-2012 , 12:18 AM
My Bovada RB expires after the first 60 days the account is made...so meh.

Won't argue against me being a fishie though.
12-15-2012 , 12:41 AM
lol fishie

play w rb
12-15-2012 , 08:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by khangura175
lol fishie

play w rb
Says the Stars player? :P
12-15-2012 , 09:50 AM
Stacked twice today in about 100 hands by fishies chasing flushes and hitting on the river.
First one I flopped a set of 7s and called large flop and turn bets and flush hit river.
Couldn't check, so put him all in and he had AQs.

This was worst though.
Bet fold river or check/fold or what?
Nice call pre, fishy.

iPoker - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $3.86
UTG: $5.47
MP: $4.00
CO: $1.05
BTN: $3.53
Hero (SB): $4.02

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has A A

UTG raises to $0.08, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.28, fold, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 6 Q 4
Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.20, 2 players) A
Hero bets $0.90, UTG calls $0.90

River: ($3.00, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $1.50, UTG raises to $3.99, Hero calls $1.04

Spoiler:
UTG shows 3 T (Flush, Queen High) (Pre 16%, Flop 33%, Turn 16%)
Hero mucks A A (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 84%, Flop 67%, Turn 84%)
UTG wins $7.55
12-15-2012 , 10:07 AM
Ck/c river. 8 is literally the worst card in the deck for you since it completes straight draws as well. To call here you need to include bluffs in his range, and you do that by checking. As played, fold to raise ainec imo. I doubt anyone is sophisticated enough to turn a Q into a bluff there. Not impossible, but I doubt it.

For the hand you mentioned above, why couldn't you check? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem like the type of player that shoves when draws come in because you don't know what else to do, and that's really bad.

Last edited by TensRUs; 12-15-2012 at 10:36 AM. Reason: Ck/f river is probably better actually
12-15-2012 , 10:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TensRUs
For the hand you mentioned above, why couldn't you check? Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem like the type of player that shoves when draws come in because you don't know what else to do, and that's really bad.
Nope, never.
Mostly I check when the draws come in and they PSB and I fold.
Since this happens so often I'm wondering if I'm expoitable, so am adding some 3rd barrels in because bet/bet/check basically says "I don't have the draw" and any competent villain can just pot it and take it away with anything.
12-15-2012 , 10:42 AM
If the same villain's are getting you to fold every time in those spots, you need to call some of the time to avoid being exploited. I don't think 3 barreling prevents a bluff otr, since whether or not you bet the river, the villains that will try to rep whatever draw that hit will do so with either a bet or a raise. You're just making bluff catching more expensive for yourself by betting on the card you don't wanna see
12-15-2012 , 11:55 AM
stud, bet more on the flop and turn
12-15-2012 , 01:08 PM
3b more ship river.
12-15-2012 , 01:33 PM
Despite this bull****, still +2.5BI for the day. Nice.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $35.22
SB: $23.84
Hero (BB): $20.95
UTG: $0.77
MP: $10.00
CO: $20.12

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 5 8 2
SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $0.94, SB calls $0.64

Turn: ($2.48, 2 players) Q
SB checks, Hero bets $1.71, SB raises to $4.00, Hero raises to $19.71 and is all-in, SB calls $15.71

River: ($41.90, 2 players) 7

SB shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 81%, Flop 12%, Turn 98%)
Hero mucks 8 8 (Three of a Kind, Eights) (Pre 19%, Flop 88%, Turn 2%)
SB wins $40.40
12-15-2012 , 02:56 PM
oh yeah good point beer. guy opens UTG so he will call a bigger raise pre. Second time I heard that in 2 days. Must remember it next time.
12-15-2012 , 07:16 PM
Damn, did well to claw back almost to even today after losing 2BI almost immediately.
Just about to quit then this hand.
Villain was a reg who I'd seen raise his draws, so I figured flush or straight draw was in his range.
Standard here or could (should) I have folded at some point?

iPoker - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (CO): $4.95
BTN: $3.21
SB: $5.22
BB: $5.10
UTG: $4.94
MP: $4.22

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.12, fold, fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.26, 2 players) 8 7 Q
BB bets $0.19, Hero raises to $0.44, BB raises to $0.84, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.94, 2 players) Q
BB checks, Hero bets $1.45, BB raises to $2.96, Hero raises to $3.99, BB calls $1.03

River: ($9.92, 2 players) A

Spoiler:
Hero mucks Q J (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 49%, Flop 3%, Turn 16%)
BB shows 8 8 (Full House, Eights full of Queens) (Pre 51%, Flop 97%, Turn 84%)
BB wins $9.26


Also, continued bull**** like this hand not helping.
Thought the river bet was worth calling after he didn't bet the turn.

iPoker - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): $4.21
CO: $6.36
BTN: $1.93
SB: $5.68
BB: $3.48
UTG: $2.56

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has K K

UTG calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.16, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.38, 2 players) J 8 Q
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.28, UTG calls $0.28

Turn: ($0.94, 2 players) A
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.94, 2 players) A
UTG bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

Spoiler:
Hero mucks K K (Two Pair, Aces and Kings) (Pre 91%, Flop 68%, Turn 3%)
UTG shows T K (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 9%, Flop 32%, Turn 97%)
UTG wins $2.19


Still running bad.
Even when I flopped a straight villain called 2 streets and same straight landed on the board by the river :/
12-16-2012 , 02:03 AM
I think the QJ hand has a couple spots that u couldve folded..

Like why did u c all his flop 3bet? He seems to have a pretty strong hand at that point..
12-16-2012 , 04:45 PM
Been that kinda day.... Villain like, 85/55 after 50 hands.





    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15014221

    BB: $2.60 (130 bb)
    UTG: $5 (250 bb)
    MP: $1.06 (53 bb)
    Hero (CO): $2.70 (135 bb)
    BTN: $3 (150 bb)
    SB: $2.80 (140 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A Q
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.29, BB raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $2.70 and is all-in, BB calls $2.12 and is all-in

    Flop: ($5.21) 4 4 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    Turn: ($5.21) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($5.21) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $5.21 pot ($0.18 rake)
    Final Board: 4 4 3 6 T
    BB showed 8 A and won $5.03 ($2.43 net)
    Hero showed A Q and lost (-$2.60 net)



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    12-16-2012 , 05:05 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by khangura175
    I think the QJ hand has a couple spots that u couldve folded..

    Like why did u c all his flop 3bet? He seems to have a pretty strong hand at that point..
    Put him on a semi bluff draw.

    lol @ this hand:

    iPoker - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

    BTN: $3.00
    SB: $1.28
    BB: $5.27
    Hero (UTG): $4.00
    MP: $4.09
    CO: $7.45

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

    Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 4 6

    fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.12, SB calls $0.10, fold

    Flop: ($0.28, 2 players) T T 7
    SB checks, BTN checks

    Turn: ($0.28, 2 players) T
    SB checks, BTN checks

    River: ($0.28, 2 players) K
    SB checks, BTN checks

    Spoiler:
    BTN shows Q 8 (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 60%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
    SB shows T 7 (Four of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 40%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
    SB wins $0.27
    12-16-2012 , 08:11 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Uncl3Slappy
    Been that kinda day.... Villain like, 85/55 after 50 hands.

      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15014221

      BB: $2.60 (130 bb)
      UTG: $5 (250 bb)
      MP: $1.06 (53 bb)
      Hero (CO): $2.70 (135 bb)
      BTN: $3 (150 bb)
      SB: $2.80 (140 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A Q
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.29, BB raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $2.70 and is all-in, BB calls $2.12 and is all-in

      Flop: ($5.21) 4 4 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      Turn: ($5.21) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
      River: ($5.21) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $5.21 pot ($0.18 rake)
      Final Board: 4 4 3 6 T
      BB showed 8 A and won $5.03 ($2.43 net)
      Hero showed A Q and lost (-$2.60 net)



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      All G

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Studebaker Hawk
      Put him on a semi bluff draw.

      lol @ this hand:

      iPoker - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

      BTN: $3.00
      SB: $1.28
      BB: $5.27
      Hero (UTG): $4.00
      MP: $4.09
      CO: $7.45

      SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

      Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 4 6

      fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.12, SB calls $0.10, fold

      Flop: ($0.28, 2 players) T T 7
      SB checks, BTN checks

      Turn: ($0.28, 2 players) T
      SB checks, BTN checks

      River: ($0.28, 2 players) K
      SB checks, BTN checks

      Spoiler:
      BTN shows Q 8 (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 60%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
      SB shows T 7 (Four of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 40%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
      SB wins $0.27
      He would prob flat w a semi draw imo..


      Dont know why you're laughing at this hand?

      - If he has Kx, he will bet no matter what n face a raise
      - If he has any house, he might thin vbet n face a raise
      - If he has air (most likely), quadder prefers he bluff so he needs to check him..

      I think he played it fine really..Betting turn is an option but if u check turn u have to check river too..
      12-17-2012 , 03:44 AM
      I was just laughing at him not betting for value at any point with quads.
      You would just check it down here?
      Worse hand might not call but I think you should bet at some point.

            
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