^i disagree. How are we capped if we bet 3 streets?

If villain is capable of seeing further than his own 2 cards then i much prefer bet, bet, shove.

Think of it the other way round if you are villain. U get to river with TPMK and oppo bets again. What do you beat? The bottom of our range is a worse ace, but we could have a better ace, flush, trips, FH etc. Would calling down 3 streets with TPMK there be good against a bet, bet, shove line?

Again, this type of line that hero took is transparent to anyone capable of understanding. If we do not cbet turn on this type of board then when we do bet our range is so nutted villain can easily fold his one pair hands as we only ever continue with TPTK or better, and we never get paid off.

I may be completely off on this, and if so please do explain why, but it's just how i see it

I think the thing is that when we're ahead this consigns us to one street of value. If the flop was rainbow, I think I'd pot control the flop - even if villain realises this caps our range except for sets there are few at 10NL capable of exploiting this correctly.

TitPanda. When people 3bet your UTG open 100bb deep, their range is a lot tighter than you think. Just fold. Even when they are playing so short stacked, their range for shoving here is probably a lot tighter than you think. I dont like the call unless we have seen the villain open shove and 3bet shove a few times since we sat down recently.

lol, was gonna call him titpanda too.

"I don't think I did anything wrong here did I? I know nothing about villian. "

Your mistake was calling the all in vs. an unknown.
He could be a lunatic shove T6s or 55 (I've seen it happen!) or he could have AA and that's how he likes to play them (badly).

AQs is 53.3% equity against a 10% range, but youo don't know what his shoving range is (unknown).
It could be JJ+/ATs+/AJo+ (~6%) and you are 48% or even tighter.
Or it could be 28% - any ace, broadway or pair and you are 62% ahead but you'll still lose plenty of times, although you made the right choice.

lol @ titpanda..

But yeah even if that guys shoving 22+, AT+ (prob tighter since its nitring) ur only breaking even w AQs..

Really no point in making breakeven calls pre at NL5..
Theres jus too much money made postflop..
Save the breakeven calls for higher stakes where the edges r more close together

The using of the word "capped" probably wasn't correct there by me. I just believe you can't rep the top your range that well here and for a number of reasons probably shouldn't bother. 1. We are read less against this opponent, for all I know villain could call down with a number of hands. Sure I learn they are not very aware but at the expense of a buying why bother when I can be value based.
2. I don't believe at these stakes we have to balance against random opponents in order to extract value from them. Naturally based off of their own mistakes, value will come on it's own with patience. I don't need to force this spot to happen.
3. I might be naive by this last one but your estimation of betting "turn" for value and I might be wrong it seemed only value. Would not be my only intentions, when I double barrel i'm hoping to charge draws and simultaneously hoping that they are competent enough to fold marginal better Aces. (I don't really know how much better maybe up to A9 would be ideal but maybe unrealistic) Making me give up on the river, as I don't want to guess how much I can get him to fold.

It's the opposite surely? There are so many hands that are ahead of AJ here I don't understand why we only get one street of value when villain will ch/call all streets with TPMK? We get full value with any premium hand above TPMK.
The problem as I see it is it's all about making villain make a different play than he would if he could see our hand. Our range here is TP+. We should be putting pressure on him to decide which part of our range we have. If we check back TPWK then villain can just narrow our range massively and is also incapable of making a mistake.

I don't think we have to rep the top of our range. TPTK is just the start of what we barrel with, as we could also have 2P, sets, flush, trips, and FH by the river.

I do agree that this has to be against someone who is capable of basic thought, but I have said that in my previous posts. I'm not trying to say this specific hand would be good against every villain. As I originally said, if we check turn then we should fold river imo.

I also agree re balance, although we shouldn't dismiss the fact that there are competent players at 10nl, especially on Stars. Let's face it, we've played these levels and we think about ranges etc.

Turn bet doesn't have to be just for value, obviously making better Aces fold would be a helpful by-product, but villain can have so much worse here still that he may call with that, considering two aces are out, it is less likely that villain has one also.

As I say guys, these are just my thoughts, and I completely agree that you need to be playing against someone who is thinking, and so I'd rather do this against a reg so I at least know that I will see them again to take advantage of this situation.

well yeah, but Im swinging up because Im playing better than my opponents, not becase of dumb luck or something

why bet the turn? I think from the flop is apparent, that V has at least an A. He is not gonna to fold it. hero has a ****ty A. So why bet the turn?

How do you know villain has an Ace?

Having a bad few days


SB: $2.69 (44.8 bb)
BB: $6.06 (101 bb)
CO: $7.02 (117 bb)
Hero (BTN): $6 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4 4
CO calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.27, SB calls $0.24, BB folds, CO calls $0.21

Flop: ($0.87) K 2 4 (3 players)
SB bets $0.18, CO folds, Hero calls $0.18

Turn: ($1.23) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $0.24, Hero raises to $1.46, SB calls $1.22

River: ($4.15) A (2 players)
SB bets $0.78 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.78







Hero (MP): $6.30 (105 bb)
CO: $21.80 (363.3 bb)
BTN: $7.77 (129.5 bb)
SB: $10.85 (180.8 bb)
BB: $6 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K K
Hero raises to $0.21, CO folds, BTN calls $0.21, SB folds, BB raises to $1, Hero raises to $6.30 and is all-in, BTN folds, BB calls $5 and is all-in

Flop: ($12.24) 4 T 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($12.24) 2 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($12.24) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)




made a tilt call

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J 3
CO folds, Hero raises to $0.15, SB raises to $0.36, BB folds, Hero calls $0.21

Flop: ($0.78) 2 Q 8 (2 players)
SB bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.50) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.50) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $4.92 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.92

in the 44 hand, why did you flat the flop? should have been a raise there I think.

KK vs AA meh - doesnt even register.

J3s - Think about what he would 3bet with. All pairs and good AX, AXs *maybe* KQ, KJ - you are crushed by this range. Easy fold. When the flush comes in and he shoves the river? Also fold.

What about a random diamond, or a lower pair? If you fold TT on this flop to a cbet then you should probably reconsider your strategy.

And Chad, what stakes is this? Because you're definitely good enough to beat the micros for a decent WR (although that is undeniably an upswing).

it's a mixture of 2 and 5 nl, regular and zoom. Why is it an upswing rather than just a graph that is going up because I deserve it?

I agree. tx.

J4 was just a tilt hand the 44 i wasnt to worried about the flush tbh thought he had tons of Kx and would stack off with all of them on turn.I dont know why i put the AA kk tbh. Ive just been running into so many spots the last few days with my big hands seems im having to lay them down on rivers like 90% and when i do call or 3 barrel shove they have some crazy T6 for 2 pair they called a 3b with. Its getting quite frustrating.

your sample is teeny tiny probably, right? Over time you will see that KK all in pre is a huge winner even though you sometimes run into AA and sometimes, you will beat AA with KK as well, icing on the cake!

Cant seem to get a good hand to showdown for last 2 days keep getting stacked or having to fold


1 note on villain is that he reraised all in with tp+ J high fd on 3 flush turn KJch on 4K7Qchcc

stats in order of
vpip
pfr
3b
agf
hands


BTN: $9.36 (156 bb)
Hero (SB): $8.21 (136.8 bb)
BB: $8.78 (146.3 bb)
MP: $18.95 (315.8 bb)35/15/6.7/2.3/62
CO: $13.17 (219.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K K
MP raises to $0.15, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.45, BB folds, MP calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.96) 9 T 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.78, MP calls $0.78

Turn: ($2.52) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $1.89, MP calls $1.89

River: ($6.30) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.15, HERO?

Because you're winning at almost 30bb/100. Almost sustainable at 2NL, certainly not at 5NL.

only have around 10k hands atm just started using hem 2 i used hem 1 before though. Never really done session reviews or payed to much attention to many of the stats before though. Im just really starting to try and understand it better.

well there you go then. I know when I started out, I used to **** myself every time I had Kings pre (he must have aces). Now, I just shovel the money in. Thats because nearly always, I win with KK.

TDA - I intend to keep winning at 30bb/100 all the way up through 2knl. Like a *real* poker player

Just to vent some rage, the hands I've come up against for my last 10 AIPF with KK:

AA
AA
AA
AA (spiked a K)
99 (30bb deep)
AA
AA
AA
AA
AA

thats about right then. what you complaining about?