Hi there what are the rules for checking the nuts in postion.
Basically we run a local league and have done for sometime, but last week we had a situation where a player(player1) raised all-in 1player(player) called another and the button(player3) re-raised. Now player2 calls, flop came down player2 checks and player3 bets, player2 calls turn comes down they both check and the river comes down(now there is no paired board and no flush), and they both check player2 has 2pair and player3 has the nut straight and wins, however another player at the table claims player3 is cheating by checking the nuts and show elminated from the tourney. And another player said that is the rule. Now i've looked on alot of sites for the rules on this and can't seem to find. Would love any feedback on this.

Manythanks.

Umm wtf? You can do w/e the hell you want LOL there is no rules for "the nuts"

Is this a serious post? I better not slow play my aces anymore I might get in trouble.

I have heard that there are some tournaments where there is a rule that if you are last to act, and have the nuts on the river, you must bet. This is to avoid the appearance of collusion (soft playing). However I do not believe that the penalty would be elimination from the tournament. Probably a warning, the first time, and after that maybe they would taser you.

Player 3 is an idiot for not betting.

I checked a royal flush before on the river UTG because my villian was super aggro and I thought check raise would give me more value. Turns out he tried to double barrel bluff me off my flopped royal flush - LOL @ him.

Why would you check back the nuts if you were last to act?

That is a negative EV play, at least in a vacuum.

I don't think that could ever be helpful.

Never heard of this rule before.

Some tournaments will issue a warning:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...nt-1-a-215526/

It's a pretty standard rule to prevent soft playing/collusion. Elimination from the tournament would be pretty harsh, though, without any prior warnings or indications that the players are cheating.

Either way, keep your eye on player 2 and 3 in the future.

It's not -EV, it's neutral EV. You don't lose money by checking, you just don't win any more.

Meta-game. For range balancing, so they know you're not always weak just because you check behind.

On the river?

Meta-game. For range balancing, so they know you're not always weak just because you check behind.[/QUOTE]


Seriously?!

If I read you right, you are saying this player was accused of cheating and should now be eliminated? If so, that is patently ridiculous.

There is no specific rule that you cannot check the nuts. However, the rule against collusion can come into play although even that is weak because if a buddy bets into a buddy on the river, the other buddy knows to fold. As a matter of fact betting is probably better for colluders so one hand is not shown.

Also, sometimes players don't notice the nuts since every nut hand is not obvious. A full house with a pocket pair is never the nuts so a player with a full house and unpaired hole cards may not realize he has the nuts. Straights can get mess. Really, only the nut flush is an obvious nut hand and even then there may a straight flush possible on some boards.

If someone checked quads or a straight flush, I would get somewhat suspicious and probably ask him what he was thinking.

However, in a tournament, let's say a large stack has one player all-in, another player with chips behind and has the nuts in position. There are two eliminations to the bubble. Here, he just may want to keep the bubble so he can steal if the table is scared tight so he might check behind a third player that he could knock out if he bets into him. Although, that's a pretty specific situation and probably doesn't come up very often if ever.

And besides, if there was a rule against checking the nuts, a player could just min bet.

I think it'd be stupid if this was a rule, especially for those players that just come in for drinks and a bit of fun, some people may not have even played before...those people that don't realise they have the nuts.

it all depends on house rules. at WSOP u get a penalty for checking the nuts last to act on the river. i agree with it to prevent collusion, especially in donkaments.

What if you just did a min bet

*This is not standard but I don't care*

I bet...that's right.I bet!
That's my pot and you are not gonna take it from me with runner runner or spike a set on the river.You gotta pay for that...I want all the chips.

*Again this isn't standard but I don't care*

Also if you have the nuts why wouldn't you bet?
Set a bear trap or something...I mean you are gonna win the hand if the guy stays in or not right?
He missed out by not betting as the other guy had 2 pair...all because it's standard to check it down.pssshh whatever
In fact he might have broke the other guy with a bear trap...he would have got more chips from him easily.

Also this post is just my take and isn't directed at anybody.
I just think I have made more than my share by not checking it down in some cases when it might not be so standard

I also concede that in some tourney situations its the right play to make sure you opponent is eliminated for the next pay grade/whatever.

As played the guy with the nuts played bad... but within the rules
Peace.

Excellent point...and one overlooked by good players at times for sure.
Seriously good point
Peace

in the WSOP Main Event this year a woman got cautioned for checking the nuts on the river....but no penalty IIRC.

I think it's a bit over the top to say the person should be disqualified but it certainly is a rule in the WSOP.

It only refers to the player last to act if it's checked to him and he holds the nuts.

Stupid to penalize IMO. The likelihood that a donk misread his/her hand far outweighs the likelihood that someone would collude in such a blatantly obvious manner. Also, say the board is quads and an ace or TJQKA no flush and you know your opponent isn't an idiot; should you really be penalized for not wasting time by betting?

I guess it makes sense, as long as they are talking about the absolute nuts. I mean 34 on a 5672 7
isn't the nuts. You could check here without penalty right? Someone with 77 should also be able to check without penalty?

I think the rule should only play if the flush is in spades, because spades is the bestest.

By the way, this guy preemptively penalized himself, in my opinion.

However, yeah, checking the nuts to close the action often raises eyebrows.

Hi just so you know I didn't accuse he player of cheating another play did. And for now I said there waas no rule as you only normally see this tpe of rule inforced at a proper tourney. Because if I inforced this rule then I would have to enforced such rules as don't touch your mobile phone when in a hand or your hand will be called dead.

I agree with GrooGrux King, although in this hand player3 only made the nuts on the river however if I was player2 I would have re-rasised all-in on the flop to pretect my own hand having flopped 2pair. And player3 I still don't understand why he checked and on stop of that there was avery heathly side pot. I just think the pair of them are just DONKS.