I know that right or wrong plays will be based on how we percieve our opponents but when multi tabling what if you were to just play the correct range based on our position and respond to bets based on position of opponent and size timing of the bet?

It very hard for me to keep track of individual calling ranges and tendancies when playing more than 4 tables because I have no hud...

so would we recommend A - play one or 2 tables or B - carry on playing solid optimal game based on my position and hand ranges in response to players raising position ?

You're kinda describing ABC.

It works fine at lower stakes

By making the correct play you are exploiting your opponent.

This, they are the same thing. Vs many opponents, "standard" lines will lose you money. At microstakes though, playing pretty straightforward will often make you profit because you are exploiting weak micro fish.

Look into a HUD maybe, it really helps track these things.

there are 120 days worth of free trial between pt3, 4, and hm2, why aren't u taking advantage of it?

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I use this one. It's free and I think it gets the job done..

Any trouble stting it up I can give a hand (maybe).

Good luck.

Sure, you may be able to win a 5bb edge on your opponents but that doesn't make up for the 7bb+ rake.

Doesn't you site allow a hud or something? With practice, you should be able to track 4 tables without a hud quite easily. But if you are allowed to use a hud, then get one.

I'm assuming your not a GTO player, so everyone will be trying to adjust to exploit your leaks so you not adjusting to theirs is ridiculous.

I did get PT4 but Pretty much followed the instructions but had a problem syncing in all data and stats.

maybe its the laptop im using its not got huge memory storage

assumption is wrong, I know my ranges and calculate my equity post flop I calculate my total combined fold equity x hand equity into +EV for tournaments/sit n gos pretty much accurately,

I've got hundreds of wins behind me at all levels.

My biggest issue is consistancy and chopping and changing aspects of my game selection and I haven't really worked out what game I want to committ too or have a solid understanding of how to handle variance im not sure if its me or if its just inevitable this sometimes causes me to change games or change stakes erc

That doesn't mean your playing GTO. You seem to completely misunderstand the concept. Even the best players in the world are way off understanding GTO (although a lot closer than anyone else).

I find that hard to believe. Most poker players do very little enumeration in their head while at the table(besides the simple things like pot odds). All the work is done off the table which builds intuition.

I'd like to see you calculate the equity of your range on the button vs a cut off open in your head 'accurately'. If you can, fair play. Your probably the next durr.

hundreds on wins is absolutely nothing in online poker and define 'all levels'. Does that mean 2knl? or 2nl and 5nl?

i'd guess the latter since your posting in BQ, there aren't all that many high stakes crushers in BQ.

obviously your right otherwise I wouldnt be here there is still alot of work needed in a some area's other aspects of my game I am very comfortable with for example if I am in the zone I have belief I can mix it tournament level at any buy in upto $215. and evaluate afterwards accurately on where I went wrong.
on the contrast when I put in volume I cant maintain that level over and over, ofcourse note taking and a hud would be the resolution.

Cash I wouldn't get out of bed to play 5NL

I think what you are asking is, if you play Game Theory Optimal poker, will you make a profit? Yes, of course. Will you make optimal profit? No, not without exploiting tendencies.

And will he even play theoretically optimal? Highly unlikely.

You're not listening to the question.

If your definition of "correct" is exploiting your opponents tendencies and mistakes, then you didn't understand the context of the question.

The OP never used the word "standard". Clearly, he is talking about "theoretically optimal" without exploitation. By definition, that can't lose.

And it's also impossible to play. What OP really wants is to play by a script. This thread was really nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to try and justify his desire to just play some static strategy without thinking because thinking is hard and stressful. I'd say you could probably use a decision tree up to NL25. Beyond that players are going to be trying to exploit you, even if they're bad at it.

Basically yes,

when multi tabling as stated I feel I have a pretty solid understanding for the lower stakes I've done my homework on this and spent hours on the revision aspect of drilling in the correct ranges and hand equity, positional adjustments etc.

What I struggle with is the mass exploitation multi tabling so I just wanted to ask views on solely focusing on the statistical correct play based on our position and opponents pre flop position and action.

Poker is an exploitative game, you are always either exploiting or being exploited no matter what(outside of GTO v GTO strategies).

If you are playing GTO and your opponents are not playing GTO you are exploiting them by definition.

If OP has some strategy that exploits the population tendencies then you will probably make a profit over the very long term. The hugely +EV adjustment is identifying fish as calling stations, folding stations, and betting stations and for the most part staying out of decent regs ways. Then develop a deent strategy for those players and you are on your way to owning the microstakes. At the very least mark players as they start doing stupid things.

Well which is it? A script works, or it doesn't work?

GTO has a pretty specific definition of "exploit" in the context of GTO strategy, so in that context you are not exploiting them by definition, even if they are not playing GTO. You can only exploit by deviating from GTO.

A script or decision tree could both play GTO and exploitative strategies.

However, HUDless, the best strategy is an exploitative strategy that takes into account the most common tendencies of the stake you play.

Its apples and oranges. if you play perfect GTO and your opponent deviates from GTO you are now exploiting them.

I believe that this is incorrect in that GTO by definition is not exploitative.

he clearly said it doesn't work past 25nl.

+1

Exploiting someone means you have made a conscious effort to deviate from your standard strategy. So when you play GTO villain is exploiting himself by not playing 'correct' poker.

This is just a discussion on terminology, it's not really going anywhere.

back to OP:

i'm sure your following good BRM and have between 10 and 25k, cause that's what ya need to be 'mix it up' at $215 tournies.

Exploiting means adjusting to someone's particular play to get more value. GTO doesn't exploit, it's just unexploitable.

Chosing randomly rock, paper or scissors is a GTO strategy. Always chosing rock is not a GTO strategy, but it isn't exploited by the GTO mentioned.