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09-13-2015 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Hello2+2
But if you fold A9o vs like a 15% BB 3Bet you fold way too much with a ~55% btn rfi, and you really fold ton of equity there, so usually A9o, A8o are rather standard calls for me
Are they standard calls for everyone else too? I snap-fold those, but call with a lot of suited hands IP.

Are regs also routinely 3-betting 92s? Seems pretty terrible to me.
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09-13-2015 , 12:27 PM
How would you construct a 15% polarized 3Bet Range BB vs BU 2bb open?
If he 3bets more linear then right, we have to adjust.
I think 93s, 94s, hands like that get 3bet pretty often yes, I mean hands that are just not good enough to call the minopen with, most also call all Jxs and Txs too so it gets even trashier.
Dont you think "snap" folding is definitely too tight? Even Snowie who opens 2.5bb and a tighter range i think defends A4o-A9o with a decent % by raising.

in a 3bet pot as caller i personally want to have robust Toppair bluffcatching equity not really so many draw hands stuff. I value a hand like KTo for example higher than maybe 57s.

Last edited by Hello2+2; 09-13-2015 at 12:46 PM.
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09-14-2015 , 06:57 AM
My 3-bet range isn't very polarized. People are calling in position more often these days, so my 3-bet range is more linear and is actually fairly similar to what I open UTG (hands that play pretty well OOP) plus a couple of weak hands with blockers like A5o, K2s. Many suited hands (e.g. 75s) are easy calls, while stuff like 83s is a standard fold for me.

I don't subscribe to Snowie any more, but from the online pre-flop advisor it seems it 4-bets A9-A4o at some frequency as you said. It never calls with those. Maybe A9o does make more by calling than folding in 'real life'. Running filters on your database would help ascertain if that's true. Since I literally never call 3-bets with A9o (unless it was a min-3b) I don't have a sample size of results to check.

Note: I play nanostakes against opponents who mostly only 3-bet for value (TT+/AJ+ - a range which has hands like A9o in a lot of trouble). If a villain shows up with 92s or even 96s, it's often because they are a clueless maniac/donator. I'd be really interested to know what 100NL+ players on Stars are 3-betting in BB vs BUT or calling OTB vs a 3-bet, but I don't think many regs are willing to detail their entire pre-flop strat.
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09-14-2015 , 03:38 PM
True, if you are up against that type of range then A9o is an easy fold. You can model that scenario too. Or model it against a linear range.
But I would say such a tight range is more or less the exception these days even at microstakes.
100NL+ ?
I would say already at Zoom 25 or z10 for example regulars definitely 3bet like 12% - 15% BB vs BU. Some linear but most with a very polarized range I think.
I dont really have experience with standard games these days, dont know how wide people 3bet there.
It depends of course if you are up against 2bb or 2.5bb open. But 96s against 2bb I usually just call.
92s, yes I fold that too, I just picked that range on the "fly". I said earlier that 72s, 82s, 92s, probably you have to replace with some other suited crap But it doesnt change our equity much.
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09-14-2015 , 03:47 PM
I personally would 3bet something like that in micros BB vs BU 50% Rfi where rake is a bigger factor.
~14%

Not sure about the Qxs though maybe they make better calls even at lower limits.
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09-14-2015 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hello2+2
I personally would 3bet something like that in micros BB vs BU 50% Rfi where rake is a bigger factor.
~14%

Not sure about the Qxs though maybe they make better calls even at lower limits.
Wow, is my 3 bet default range alot wider than yours. When I'm 200BBs deep, my 3 bet range is 66+, KQ, A10+, BWs, and A2-5s. When I'm under 150BBs, I'll trim that down to about 99+, AQ, QJs+ and A2-5s. (If I have reads/history against certain Vs, I can add to or subtract from this range)

On a side note, I'm not a huge fan of having such a polarized 3 bet range in cash games without a good amount of history against a specific player. (mostly cause I play on Bovada, and can get called down pretty light at times) I do like having a polarized 3 bet in the trnies though. Seems like people are trying to trap too much and end up value owning themselves, or are just trying to save their chip stack.
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09-14-2015 , 06:02 PM
and i would call vs the minopen with something like that (forgot ATo, probably call all Qxs though, contstruct 3b range differently). Still quite on the tight side I would say, but not sure how much rake has an impact at lower stakes.
So we end up like folding 50% BB vs BU 2bb open. Hm seems reasonable I think, could be wider if anything I guess


What do you mean a lot by default, how much % do you 3bet vs the btn?
In your trim down range you say you only 3bet 99+, AQ, QJs+ and A2s-A5s. Thats only ~7.5%?
I think all Ax are really easy calls against a minopen, what do you call then? Against weaker regulars or recreationals i 3bet more linear too I agree. I would just use this a default against unknown regular until I have better reads.
~My 13-14% is pretty average i think, 8% is really tight, there are definitely some very good solid regulars with 16% 18% 20% 3bet vs BU. Depends how you contruct your ranges and gameplan I think. Of course if BTN raises only 30% you cant 3bet that range, then more like ~7.5%. So in games where people steal a lot you will naturallly have wider BB 3bet frequencies too of course.

Last edited by Hello2+2; 09-14-2015 at 06:31 PM.
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