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01-03-2010 , 11:52 AM
just to add another point.

people shouldn't feel bad when they are running above EV. it doesn't necessarily that you are playing bad and lucking out when getting it in behind.

it often just means that when you are getting it in ahead, you are holding up, so you're EV diff is a bit negative

generally though i tend to ignore EV, just look through my big hands in a session and make sure that i'm making the right calls, and have good equity in AI situations.
01-03-2010 , 11:58 AM
Current Stake: 2NL
Current Bankroll: 67$
Site: PokerStars
Plan Of Attack:

Get 100$, move up to 5NL and buy in for 5$, move down if 5 buyins lost.

Here we go!

Also, Year Plan: Play 300k hands.
01-03-2010 , 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
This is my limited understanding of it. Someone that plays higher and has a better grasp of it may post and correct me.

I believe EV is calculated based on the amount of money in the pot and you're equity in said pot.

So my ev in that hand is around -13 bucks or so since I only have about 4% equity in the hand to hit my one outer. So since I hit it I ran 13 dollars over the expected value of that hand dealt out.

If I had the set of 7's I'd had nice gap between my EV graph and that hand of about buy-in since I was EXPECTED to win 13 dollars but didn't.
Yes, you're 100% correct. This is also a good illustration of why, while allin-EV is a decent measure of how you're running, it's not end-all & be-all some people make it to be as far as measuring how you're running. Set over set is something of a cooler. So, your allin-EV graph is going to show that you're not running poorly as a set of deuces is a huge dog to a set of sevens; however, if you're on the wrong end of a few set over sets in a smallish sample, you're actually running pretty poorly in reality. But that won't be reflected in your allin-EV graph.

If you ship KK several times in a small sample only to run into rockets, you're also running poorly, though that won't be reflected in your allin-EV. So, while allin-EV is a decent measure of how you're running, it's far from perfect.


I'm off work today & tomorrow and don't work until 5pm Tuesday, so I will be putting in some decent volume over the next 72 hours, though I need to devote most of today to sleeping imo. Will be back with BR updates by Tuesday. I crunched some numbers and if I manage to squeeze 30 hours of poker in weekly in January, and run/play only decently, I will ready to make another run @ 50NL in February Gonna split my time 60/40 between 2-4 tabling HU and 8-tabling 6-max for the remainder of Jan.

Last edited by AcesFullMoon; 01-03-2010 at 12:19 PM.
01-03-2010 , 12:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jumpship
just to add another point.

people shouldn't feel bad when they are running above EV. it doesn't necessarily that you are playing bad and lucking out when getting it in behind.

it often just means that when you are getting it in ahead, you are holding up, so you're EV diff is a bit negative

generally though i tend to ignore EV, just look through my big hands in a session and make sure that i'm making the right calls, and have good equity in AI situations.
It's a good point you make because as you say, it could seem like you're just getting lucky if you're running above EV!

My EV line is quite a bit below my winning line... But as you say, looking at my key hands it definitely seems like I've just got it in with the best hand on a lot of occasions for big pots, especially pre with AA/AK.
01-03-2010 , 12:20 PM
Yea I generally don't get too worried about running over or under EV. Last night during my session I knew I was making good equity decisions and just not running well. I only get focused on EV when it gets above 3 or 4 buy-ins. It's when you have very large gaps between the two that you should evaluate things a bit.
01-03-2010 , 01:07 PM
poker is all about table selection imo:



played a short 200 hand session this morning... I think I won like 2/3 a buyin or something I dunno... trying not to look at that ****.
01-03-2010 , 01:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
poker is all about table selection imo:



played a short 200 hand session this morning... I think I won like 2/3 a buyin or something I dunno... trying not to look at that ****.
lol yeah, i was playing 5NL and had a guy to my right playing 94/25/4,0 over 130 hands. obv i lost 1,5 buyin to him (AKo vs JJ AIPF, and other random hands) and he proceeds to lose all his money on a ******ed bluff vs some nit.
01-03-2010 , 01:45 PM
Current Bankroll £165
Current Stake 5NL
Site FTP

I'm going to take a shot and 4 table 10NL with 50BB. Will move back down to 5nl if my bankroll gets below $140. If my bankroll hits $200 i will full stack 10NL.
01-03-2010 , 01:59 PM
Successful Morning is successful morning. Took a shot at 5NL.

From 67$ to 100$
01-03-2010 , 01:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MicrostakeDegen
Current Bankroll £165
Current Stake 5NL
Site FTP

I'm going to take a shot and 4 table 10NL with 50BB. Will move back down to 5nl if my bankroll gets below $140. If my bankroll hits $200 i will full stack 10NL.
buy in full, no point buying in half stack, you're just limiting you win rate

if you are not rolled properly for the level, there's no point buying in $5 at 10nl and paying double the blinds, when you could just be playing 5nl with the potential to win the same amount, paying half the blinds.
01-03-2010 , 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jumpship
buy in full, no point buying in half stack, you're just limiting you win rate

if you are not rolled properly for the level, there's no point buying in $5 at 10nl and paying double the blinds, when you could just be playing 5nl with the potential to win the same amount, paying half the blinds.
this
01-03-2010 , 02:18 PM
73 played fund at $138 + $2.26 of first stellar reward and 222.75 FPP. roi just under 40% and waiting for reload bonus to start. Nice.
01-03-2010 , 02:30 PM
Current BR = 2.4k
Stake = Mainly 50NL HU + some 50NL and 100NL 6max
Site = FTP

Will get up to 4k bankroll at 50NL, move to 100NL and give myself a 10BI shot at 100NL. Then will get 5k bankroll and give myself a 10 BI shot at 200NL

Goals: 100NL Feb 1st, 2010 and 200NL June 1st 2010

Going to be very aggressive with my bankroll at the start of this year.

Gonna own some face this year.
01-03-2010 , 02:52 PM
UPDATE
Stake: 10NL 6max at Pokerstars
BR: $215 >>>>$250

Played a couple of sessions yesterday. Was running at about 12/10. Lost one all-in w/ my TPTK going out to top set. Other than that things went OK. Will play again today. Have a good day players.
01-03-2010 , 02:58 PM
Started yesterday: $25

Ended: $28.48



I like the rate I'm going, especially for only spending maybe 1-2 hours a day on poker 1 tabling.
01-03-2010 , 03:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by axel_nld
lol yeah, i was playing 5NL and had a guy to my right playing 94/25/4,0 over 130 hands. obv i lost 1,5 buyin to him (AKo vs JJ AIPF, and other random hands) and he proceeds to lose all his money on a ******ed bluff vs some nit.
One orbit later the 68/6 3 to my left 4b me pre with 9s and bitched when he snap called and saw my kings "standard for this ****ing rigged site, what bull****"
01-03-2010 , 04:06 PM
BR-379

Someone please rail me at 10nl? I feel like I can't win a hand. Month has pretty much been a 10k breakeven stretch so far. I have no idea what's wrong.
01-03-2010 , 04:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf
One orbit later the 68/6 3 to my left 4b me pre with 9s and bitched when he snap called and saw my kings "standard for this ****ing rigged site, what bull****"
<3 yeah that **** is the best
01-03-2010 , 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
BR-379

Someone please rail me at 10nl? I feel like I can't win a hand. Month has pretty much been a 10k breakeven stretch so far. I have no idea what's wrong.
if you've volumed 10k hands already you're most likely playing one too many tables?
01-03-2010 , 04:28 PM
I guess that's a possibility but I'm only playing 1-2 more tables than I was at 5nl. I guess it's back to 6 tabling for the rest of the month.
01-03-2010 , 04:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
I guess that's a possibility but I'm only playing 1-2 more tables than I was at 5nl. I guess it's back to 6 tabling for the rest of the month.

I think even 4 tabling for awhile would be good. It really helps in my experience when you can tile the tables and put your opponents on a range. Don't worry about volume and winrate... just worry about $/hour. You'll be able to focus and get more value from your hands if you cut the tables down.

Heading back to my place tomorrow. I will be there two weeks before school starts back up for track practice. Will have a ton of free time to run and play poker. So far I have played 750 hands at 25nl and am up 6 buy ins... sick heater.
01-03-2010 , 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlaneH
I guess that's a possibility but I'm only playing 1-2 more tables than I was at 5nl. I guess it's back to 6 tabling for the rest of the month.
If I remember right, this is the 2nd times you've had a bit of trouble at 10nl.. so I'd probably cut back to 6... or even 4... for a bit, until you get a better feel for 10nl. It is different than 5nl, but it isn't so different that you shouldn't be beating 10nl... so I'd recommend just stepping back and try to get a better look at what's really going on... then when you are finally starting to beat it like you think you can, then start adding more tables.
01-03-2010 , 04:53 PM
well im down quite a lot but I'm about to start the Sunday 1.5mill, hope this can make some dreams happen.
01-03-2010 , 04:56 PM
Yea I don't know what it is about the limit. My first time moving up I was beating the limit just ran 6 buy-ins under EV. I'm gonna follow everyones advice and cut the tables down a bunch. I'm not respecting the player pool/limit enough and need to figure out what I'm doing wrong. I think my big leak nowadays is that when I downswing I try and beat it with volume which probably leads to bad play.

Back to the basics. Atleast I'm rolled for it this time
01-03-2010 , 05:10 PM
i quit for this evening, too many crazies.

but i quit after 10-15 mins. i think someone posted itt or maybe it was one of boywonders posts, i can;t remember, that they pay particular attention to the first 15 minutes to make sure they are on their game.

i think this is important and will be trying to do this every session. usually it takes me much longer before i clock i shouldn't be playing.

doesn;t mean i can't go splash some pots at $2 plo tho

      
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