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The China sales make this worth taking Larry Legend's August puts here with Tesla at $797. I'd go for the $500 strike at $22 (as of Friday, maybe $25 now once the market opens in 30 minutes).

It becomes an even nicer bet now, especially with the weekend news of continued forced factory shutdown. Market might even help a little too.

It's not a "no brainer" like my put recommendation at $900 area pre covid was, but it's very nicely +EV, just with a 20-30% chance you won't get paid...no brainers to me are <10% chance you won't get paid.

Bought a couple of those @ $15. Still got room for a bit more if the price goes down.

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05-22-2020 , 03:35 PM

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ToothSayer

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I'm holding mine but not thrilled with them any more. Factory is open (county did jack) and battery day pump is coming. Good chance you'll get a better price yet. But they're still +EV imo.

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05-22-2020 , 04:16 PM

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NLSoldier

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what did you pay for them tooth?

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05-24-2020 , 10:58 PM

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despacito

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Roadster to have an option to have rocket thrusters from SpaceX:
https://electrek.co/2020/05/24/tesla...sk-james-bond/

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We are going use ultra high pressure compressed air – it’s a cold gas thruster. The main thruster will be like behind the license plate so for acceleration, it drops the license plate and behind the license plate is a rocket thruster.”

“It’s like full-on James Bond.”

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05-24-2020 , 11:21 PM

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snowie963

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so the car is just going to be covered in thrusters for corners, accelerating, braking... seems kind of like a stupid idea. I'm sure someone will pay 5 figures to have the privilege of this ridiculous option though.

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05-24-2020 , 11:56 PM

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grizy

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It's a marketing halo product. They know their clientele.

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05-25-2020 , 01:56 PM

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donfairplay

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(electrek) Tesla files to sell new Model 3 with cheaper lithium iron phosphate batteries

Big meh from me if battery day is going to be all about LFP batteries. Cheaper and no cobalt is a big plus, but most buyers of Tesla cars don't care if there are elements mined from African labor and blowing up mountaintops.

Guess we have to wait 5 more years for solid state batteries from Toyota.

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05-25-2020 , 04:47 PM

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thethrill009

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Originally Posted by donfairplay

Cheaper is primarily what matters. Cobalt and nickel are the most expensive parts of top of the line panasonic batteries (currently used by tesla). It’s a likely an improvement but not a breakthrough. I’m skeptical of/ curious about their manufacturing process. Glad u figured out it wasnt from maxwell.

Lol at your love of toyota despite the fact that they aren’t a battery company. Neither is tesla really, they both just outsource to professionals and have business synergies with them.

P.s. ev’s will be cheaper than ICE years before solid state battery manufacturing plants even exists. You’re not looking in the right places.

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05-25-2020 , 05:16 PM

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donfairplay

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I don't care about cheap batteries. But recharging a solid state battery would be so much better than Li-on or LFP batteries. It would blow people's minds, including current Tesla owners.

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05-25-2020 , 09:56 PM

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thethrill009

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Originally Posted by donfairplay

I don't care about cheap batteries. But recharging a solid state battery would be so much better than Li-on or LFP batteries. It would blow people's minds, including current Tesla owners.

Nu uh

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05-25-2020 , 10:09 PM

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donfairplay

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Originally Posted by thethrill009

Nu uh

Sub-10 minute recharge, 500 mile range, minimal risk of heat/fire problems when charging. The only way you might get there is solid state. You could recharge at the local grocery store or Target (my local Target has a bunch of empty EV recharging spots).

The risk is that someone (China mainly, outside shot with Tesla) may introduce some junior-level solid state batteries early with a much shorter range that taints the whole tech.

There's also the problem of the amount of times these can be recharged without having to swap out the whole pack. Samsung was running into this. It's early.

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05-26-2020 , 01:50 AM

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thethrill009

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Originally Posted by donfairplay

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I don’t have the time to explain it to you.

I will bet you any amount of money you want that non solid state batteries will match or beat those metrics before a single solid state battery is commercially available. (Sub 10 minute recharge will be technically possible but practically unlikely due to charger limitations, not battery limitations)

And your risk isn’t a risk and is just a joke. (There are plenty of real risks though) Sorry, I’m pretty familiar with the space.

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05-26-2020 , 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thethrill009

Any current companies in the battery space that you would bet on long term?

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05-26-2020 , 02:25 AM

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thethrill009

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All private. Winners will license their tech to major manufacturers and/or will be purchased outright.

They could build their own gigafactories, but unlikely for many reasons.

Dm me if u have 6-7 figures to invest.

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05-26-2020 , 07:27 AM

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rickroll

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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic

Any current companies in the battery space that you would bet on long term?

BYDDY, they are taking a slow and steady approach and have backing of both government and Berkshire Hathaway

they may never moon, could quite possibly not even end up as the top battery/electric car company in china (each time I go to a fancy downtown location there is a new showroom for the newest fancy electric car startup) but it would absolutely shock me if looking back 20 years from now people didn't regret giving them a second look

what i mean to say is I don't see them flatlining

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05-27-2020 , 05:57 AM

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BooLoo

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price cuts are bullish, right?

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05-27-2020 , 11:13 AM

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theviolator

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Originally Posted by BooLoo

price cuts are bullish, right?

My buddy, a permabull says yup....it is signalling that battery day will be "epic and cost savings huge so 2 grand is literally nothing". He also bought a TEsla a few months ago and has had to have them service it 6 times already...nothing major but the nearest service guy is three hours away, one way trip lol

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05-27-2020 , 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BooLoo

price cuts are bullish, right?

at midnight on the day of the spacex launch

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Originally Posted by theviolator

i think a big argument will be no model Y cut confirms that Y demand is insane, and if demand for 3/s/x is falling it's because everybody wants a Y.

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05-28-2020 , 04:32 PM

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Morishita System

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Proxy is out: https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...a_20200707.htm

Raise is imminent....if they can do it.

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05-29-2020 , 10:55 PM

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despacito

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Rumor has it that Amazon might acquire self-driving startup ZOOX.

Musk vs Bezos?

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05-30-2020 , 06:12 PM

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despacito

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NASA, SpaceX launch historic Falcon 9 flight with 2 US astronauts to ISS
https://youtu.be/W36QKRS_t5k?t=402

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05-30-2020 , 07:53 PM

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Xkf

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Rocket pump monday?

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05-31-2020 , 07:53 AM

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BooLoo

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rocket pump would be totally irrational and stupid - so of course it will happen.

meanwhile, tesla has pretty much shrunk into non-existence in norway: