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There also appear to be some lidar sensors on the rig. However, Tesla has previously stated that it uses lidar sensors to validate other sensors in testing and doesn’t plan to bring lidar to production vehicles.

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06-30-2020 , 10:47 AM

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snowie963

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too late to buy now?

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06-30-2020 , 12:49 PM

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coordi

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Musk making leaks and actively pumping takes us back to the general wisdom that hes quiet/coy when things are good, and loud and obnoxious when things are not

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06-30-2020 , 01:06 PM

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Xkf

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leaking and pumping is the latter?

idk man the cult is out in full force. the richer ones are buying FSD just to juice q2 revenue and the poorer ones are buying $35 t-shirts and such.

i do think there's considerable downside if they miss q2 profit but i think it's highly likely they hit it. deliveries pump seems priced in, so don't think deliveries affect price unless they're egregiously low or high (<80k or >95k)

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06-30-2020 , 01:49 PM

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solid first post

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IIRC previous similar email leaks have been accurate...

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06-30-2020 , 03:02 PM

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heltok

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Originally Posted by Xkf

I am one of those who got FSD today =)

It’s probably marginally EV- to get it(compared to spending the same money on stocks), but I like to do my research and if I sell the vehicle should probably get some of it back. And it’s fun to help the company to get to the right side of super tight:

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In the email titled ‘Down to the last few days’ and sent to employees today, Musk wrote:

Breaking even is looking super tight. Really makes a difference for every car you build and deliver. Please go all out to ensure victory!

80k is still pretty high imo, I would say low is <70k which is where the analysts are estimating it, 80k+ is the speculation by bulls based on random anecdotes and vins, very prone to error.

$200B market cap. Don’t doubt your vibe!

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06-30-2020 , 03:30 PM

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coordi

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Originally Posted by solid first post

IIRC previous similar email leaks have been accurate...

This is a fair point

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06-30-2020 , 03:44 PM

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BooLoo

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Originally Posted by Xkf

idk man the cult is out in full force. the richer ones are buying FSD just to juice q2 revenue and the poorer ones are buying $35 t-shirts and such.

love it when shareholders pay for their own returns.
someone should find a name for that type of scheme.

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06-30-2020 , 03:46 PM

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Morishita System

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Originally Posted by chytry

low 80k would be quite an achievement and outright unbelievable if delivered making profit

SEC being asleep at the wheel means this is going to happen. And I expect SPY inclusion to happen as well given how many companies are going to get punted out.

Only thing that finally ends this is a Wirecard moment or tapering from the Fed.

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06-30-2020 , 03:51 PM

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BooLoo

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this playing out like wirecard is my working theory right now.
you had months to get into that play after they delayed their report. so i'm pretty happy on the sidelines right now.

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06-30-2020 , 04:13 PM

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Xkf

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Originally Posted by Morishita System

i'm probably too optimistic but i think q3 and/or q4 deliveries knock off a chunk. granted that could mean stonk price is 1500 and bad q3 and q4 knock it down to 1200. i just don't see where demand is for another 350k cars this year. in b4 not a car company.

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06-30-2020 , 05:29 PM

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chytry

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Originally Posted by Spurious

the market dominating position they are in.

This is a Tesla cult delusion. They dominate nothing except for stock pumping.

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06-30-2020 , 05:50 PM

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Didace

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Originally Posted by chytry

This is a Tesla cult delusion. They dominate nothing except for stock pumping.

I thought they had the only fully self-driving car?

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07-01-2020 , 06:07 AM

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heltok

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Rob(who guessed best in Q1) and FrankSG both think 95-100k:

https://teslainvestor.blogspot.com/2...-earnings.html

I am updating my guess from 84k to 89k deliveries.

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07-01-2020 , 06:39 AM

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thethrill009

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Originally Posted by Morishita System

This is an incredibly bullish statement.

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07-01-2020 , 07:19 AM

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topspinner

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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/go...nting-wirecard

Article comparing accounting at Telsa to accounting at wirecard.

Debating buying puts on tsla, anyone have a reccommendation as to strike price and length?

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07-01-2020 , 07:24 AM

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chytry

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Originally Posted by Didace

I thought they had the only fully self-driving car?

They did. But it decided it didn't want to live on this planet anymore.

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Originally Posted by topspinner

Wouldn't buy puts when they are still in their prime pumping stage.
Wirecard showed how easy it is to hide fraud for a long time. 2.1 billion missing in a company whose yearly average revenue in the last 5 years was 1.8 bill is really something.

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07-01-2020 , 10:17 AM

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Xkf

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market cap bigger than toyota, we did it

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07-01-2020 , 12:23 PM

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syndr0me

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Originally Posted by thethrill009

This is an incredibly bullish statement.

i think that's probably the way he meant it

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07-01-2020 , 12:26 PM

#12546

syndr0me

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Originally Posted by topspinner

look for better spots, like a blackjack table

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07-01-2020 , 12:35 PM

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n00b590

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Originally Posted by topspinner

"Markets can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent." There's no telling when this clown show will end. If they're able to keep spinning the growth narrative and raising more money, it can basically go on indefinitely unless maybe massive fraud gets exposed.

That said, it feels like we could be getting close to the wheels falling off -- after Model Y backlog is depleted and China turns out not to be Shangri-La after all. So I'd allow at least a few more quarters for that to play out. I moved out to June 2022 puts personally.

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07-01-2020 , 02:58 PM

#12548

topspinner

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How can tsla be worth more than toyota a company that actually makes a profit?

How much of a bump will it be if it is added to the s&P?

https://wolfstreet.com/2020/07/01/do...ows-by-toyota/