Sad story. Sadder aspect is the clear excitement that anti-vaxxers get when they finally find extremely rare stories like this, especially when they have to compete with the hundreds and thousands of "anti-vaxx derp croaks from Covid" stories on Twitter for the other side of the debate, including a ton of white dudes (alt right radio personalities/politicians and such) with that oily used car salesdude hair that seems to really appeal to anti-vaxxers.

Covid still accelerating in the hyper-authoritarian Australia.

And now this article released:

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...d-19-response/

Meanwhile people are doing this:

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/...rty-1.10125938

I mean, I dont want to say I told you so.. but I told you so.

It's just like those old 80's sci-fi action movies with night-time curfews. I read 9pm curfew. All for 227 total cases of SARS. wow

Many such cases.

Wait for it ...

Idk why people keep bashing Australia. It makes sense to go for covid zero, and lock your citizens out abroad, and trap your citizens in as well. And by makes sense I mean it is ridiculous and I really am interested to see how long they go for the shutter island approach. Treating covid like it creates brain eating zombies is always a good way to go

I like how the head of the Victoria state uses the word shitty in his official statement.

how dare they exercise their natural freedom!

are the authorities force vaxxing any child survivors of Dr. Mengele? I wanna hear that conversation

if there's any group that's stupid, despises medicine, and hasn't shown any ability to survive, it's obv. the jews, right?

I think Bezos puts the chips in this one.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...linical-trials

When news of these lockdown came out last week I read some comments by New Zealanders on reddit.

They loved it. Loved the lockdowns. The harsher the better. Its like a brick was placed in front of their heads and they gleefully bash their skulls into it, with pleasure.

Then a bunch of other redditors wished they could live in New Zealand too during lockdown.... The levels of self mind ****edness is beyond.

People on this forum were having very hard time since last year understanding that zero covid is ridiculous strategy unless you can be authoritarian like China.

They praised Australia as a shining example.

18 months in, the only way to get through this is to burn through.

Zero covid was the correct response for Australia/New Zealand to Covid Classic. They had a better experience of that on all metrics (deaths, freedom, worry, normal life) than the rest of the Western world by far. But it might be impossible with delta judging by the way it's going there, still ramping hard despite lockdowns.

Why wouldn't a country like NZ take advantage of they're geographical situation?
Where they all ****ed up was thinking it would magically go away or something and not in parallel to their strict border control get the population vaxxed.

As long as you realize it is dumb though. Very dumb.

No one would care about Covid, past or current, if it was not resulting in hospitalizations and deaths. If it just spread like a more severe cold but few to anyone ended up hospitalized nobody would GAF.

But derps say, 'look but it is still spreading... thus the vaccine is a failure' as if they are making a point when what matters is hospitalization rates both pre and post vaccine.

It is a garbage, fake argument that shows you think you have no real argument otherwise you would focus on those instead.

I feel like you stood a pretty good chance dodging OG covid if you used common sense, practiced some caution, and had an understanding of spread dynamics while knowing that a dogshit mask did virtually nothing if you were in close proximity to covid bomb. Large degree of outperformance was possible imo.

With Delta it's so contagious, there's orders higher volume of virus afloat, I don't think these same people can get near the outperformance without heavily ramping up precautions.

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Does anyone have any studies/links on breakthroughs in relation to repeated exposure or volume of exposure?

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Are we feeling pretty bullish on fluvoxamine?

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Warning: Monteroy do not open!!

Yeah I've seen people and spoken to people who are all for it. I wouldn't trade covid for freedom of travel but that's me. I have a friend is oz who dgaf either. You have a better chance of flying out of Afghanistan rn than you do of leaving Australia or NZ. Sign me up

I can't remember if you are amongst those prior trying to maintain 'Masks don't work'.

If you were, good for you for your change of view, and I'll take credit for likely changing your view on this.

The bolded above is key and is not why you wear masks. Masks work for short term, passing exposure and adding some distance and air circulation just increases that. Probably the bulk of risk many faced over the last 1.5 years outside of having someone in the home infected and spreading.

Not everything is the zero sum gain that derps pretend it must be otherwise there is zero value in doing it. For many of our daily interactions, of passing but brief contact (coffee shop, grocery store, etc) people masking will be very beneficial.

Masks are a very good measure in that regard.

This is the type of thinking that leads to some wild public health policy.

It's not parties, work, indoor social events, etc that are causing the spread. It's your 15 minute grocery store visit.

For mask to have a large impact there first has to be a large risk.

I quit watching the news for a bit since my last post, and only checked it out today because my pastor talked about praying for the Christians in Afghanistan last night (wanted to see what was going on there, first I had heard about it).

I'm assuming the delta variant is still sub .1% death rate for a 37 year old male with no preexisting conditions who hasn't received a vaccine?

Side note: Living a life post news is nice. Highly recommended

Let’s try really hard not to attack each other going forward.

I’ve always held the opinion that high quality masks “work” and low quality ones don’t (net effect negligible).

Let’s say you walk into a room that was just sprayed with paint and you’re wearing a loosely woven cloth mask, can you still smell it? Obv yes with a cloth mask but not with a p100 and maybe barely with a n95. How similar is this to saying working in an office and someone is spraying Covid? Remember the Twitter link with the chick blowing cig smoke out her mask?

Is Covid through a loose mask like throwing a pebble through a chain link fence? Is there ever a water balloon through a tennis racquet a scenario where the mask fragments or aerosolizes larger particles that would have otherwise dropped quickly?

I always remember back to the Erin Brommage article early on that tried to explain the # of viral particles of different actions. It was something like
Breathing: 1/min
Talking: 10/min
Singing: 50/min
Sneezing/Coughing: 1,000
Where 30 is the infection threshold.
Idk exactly but it was to that effect.

So I’ve always operated as avoid ppl coughing at all costs. And this is why I think it’s mostly a dichotomy of you didn’t need any mask or you needed a very good one.

If I were to be infected in 30 min sharing a room with someone with no masks, how long would I have if we both had masks?

Why do we see little different in many places that had high mask compliance vs low? And in schools.

Since Fauci, WHO et al at the beginning did not believe masks would “work” for respiratory viruses such as Covid, as that has been the science for some time, what was the ground breaking data that led them to change their opinion?

Well on the bright side I guess you can't criticize them for not trying





Its always interesting to observe people who've been stuffed in lockers then become hall monitor

What in the **** is going on in Scotland? Earlier this week:

I dont think it was the best response period. I think they got very lucky with classic. Had to be one lucky country right? But obviously with Delta their policy is much worse, and of course the Australian government is way too dumb to know when their policies stop working. Theyre just going to double down on failure.

It's happening. France descending into outright fascism. Camps will be next.

During most of the "bend of the curve" restrictions and work from home the only contact most people faced was that casual contact when out getting groceries or a coffee or a quick visit to some open location.

There were few opportunities, in most locals to spend long periods of time indoors with groups of people you did not know.

In that regard masks worked very well, as one measure amongst many, in turning R to less than 1.

The big question here that we need to know, with regard to your questions is 'how good is the air circulation/exchange in the indoor space you are in'?


Think of wearing a mask in the exact same way you would think about distancing.

Breath comes out of another person's mouth or nose with a certain trajectory and velocity.

Would anyone deny there would be a difference between the two gifs below and how quickly and how much smoke reaches you and you breath in, especially if a room has good air circulation (fans) and air exchange?





There should be no doubt that a quick pass in and out of that room would be better served by some distance from either smoker, and the mask does the same thing as distance.

Given enough time neither of those options do much to prevent the build up of the aerosol to whatever levels it will max at with the air circulation/ventilation.

You realize this if you have ever sat in a room with smokers as the room eventually, everywhere hits it saturation point.

It honestly shocks me how many derps here do not understand that very basic science and how many times I have tried to break it down to explain it and they still fight it.

But there should be no doubt, NONE, that masks will cut the trajectory and velocity of the exhalation, which will require the breath to have more time to reach you for inhalation, and give the breath more chance to be dispersed by whatever air circulation/ventilation is in the room.

These can all be very important for the many short contact passing type interactions we have on most days in indoor settings as there is some science shows that exposure to lesser doses may be more likely to trigger lesser infections (asymptomatic).