Regarding the new strain... here's a graph of cases/million. Look at the trajectory of the UK and South Africa, where the new strain is prevalent. Note that it is summer in South Africa so we'd expect cases to be going down, not up. Also look at the US where the new strain is just starting to spread. This is a potential disaster for the US and potentially globally as well.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...ickerSort=desc

That Tooth thinks it's impossible to know people who died from or were ventilated because of corona virus puts him in the denier camp.

Thread: Corona doesn't kill young/healthy people

Me: I know 3 healthy people who died from corona virus, one of whom was in her 20's.

Tooth: You're a liar. That's an unlikely event so you must be lying about it.

Tien: Case closed

You guys are something else

How many times does the math need to be repeated for you so it finally gets downloaded into your brain for healthy deaths under 50?

10x at this point?

For people under 50 and healthy, its a nothing burger. Repeating anecdotes doesn't change facts.


And by the way. Nobody here argues "young people don't die", we are saying its a "nothing burger for the young and healthy". So you invented a straw man argument, got angry over it, and kept arguing it. What a waste of everyone's time.

Emphasis mine.

So there's no long term health effects being reported in people who were healthy before catching covid? As long as you fade death then there's nothing to worry about?

Is permanent lung damage a total nothingburger? What about myocarditis? Asking for the young/healthy people who still can't run months after "recovering" from covid.

Long term damage to the lungs happens with the flu too.

A lot of "permanent" damage is called "permanent" too prematurely. Even the flu is known to cause damage that takes years to recover from.

Lol, full circle back to flu bros

How healthy was your 20s friend?

Do you think this person was healthy?
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01...covid-19-at-35

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...527-0/fulltext

It's been observed that covid-19, for young and health people, is comparable (and some find it less severe) to the flu.

The problem for us as a society is Covid-19 ramps up its morbidity and severity way way harder as you check off comorbidity boxes and get older. We still don't really understand why although there are theories floating around. But not understanding why doesn't change the fact the data undeniably indicates Covid-19 just isn't that much worse, if at all, for young and healthy people. Are there outliers? Sure. But there are outliers for the flu too.

To be crystal clear, this is not to say Covid-19 overall is "just" a flu that doesn't deserve more severe control measures. In US for example, most people are at least one of the following: diabetic, obese, old. Those aren't even the only known comorbidity factors. I don't know exact statistic but I'd guess maybe 20% of the American population actually fits "young and healthy".

I also want to point out that the flu is still one of the biggest killers around. Being a "worse flu" still demands our attention.

That is not a fact. It is objectively and provable wrong just showing you should never cite 'facts' since you do not know how quantify what one is.

Just curious how many do you know personally?

Fortunately none. A friend of a friend had issues returning to work as a personal trainer for a couple months due to lingering fatigue/breathlessness, but they're luckily back to 100% now.

Covid has a significantly higher death rate than the flu, even for young people. As well as a significantly higher hospitalization rate, even for young people.

Just because some people find covid less severe than the flu does not change the data. Covid 19 mortality rates are not comparable to the flu. Even the study you cited makes that clear.

It took me months after what turned out to NOT be Covid-19 for me to get my 5k time under 30 minutes again.

This is a great point and it's probably less that 20%. Anecdotally, I know at least 25 under 40 year olds (friends, coworkers, relatives) that consider themselves to be healthy but are either low key alcoholics or 30+ lbs overweight. If you literally never exercise, like most Americans, you aren't healthy regardless of anything else.

tgiggity personally knows 4 olympic sprinters, 2 marathon runners, and 1 tour de france cyclist that have been permanently affected by covid. Of the 7, five were caucasion and the other two were asian

Right.

The data is pretty much in that "young and healthy" (with the extremely young, like young children and babies basically all just shrug it off) handles Covid-19 just fine. The problem is most of the American and European population isn't "young and healthy" and for the non-"young and healthy," Covid is a lot worse (many many times worse if you have multiple comorbidity factors).

Over a million people have died of covid. It's fairly likely that most Westerners know 1 or more. What's far less than odds of winning the lottery is this lie:
Less than one in a million early 20s people get ventilated per week. You claim to know three, all ventilated and unconscious at the same time.

You're a dishonest piece of trash, caught with your pants down lying, so you're trying to spin it and attack instead and lie even more about what my position is. Everyone can see you for what you are, and they see what you're doing. You're fooling no one by the way. It's hilarious you don't realize this. All your tripling down is doing is showing to people that you're a pathological liar rather than one with at least some shame.

Thread: Corona is deadly for old people but for young people it's ultra low risk; it's about 5% of all young person deaths (which is small to begin with as young people tend not to die). It's a very small number and less risky than many other normal activities for young people.

Dishonest tgiggity: The thread is claiming that no one dies of corona! They're deniers!

I'm glad you're admitting this. Thanks for admitting you were wrong.

In the US? Worldwide? Have a citation? Or just another random # pulled out of your ass again?

Do you have anything to say besides ad hominem attacks?

More data for the "Covid deniers":

Canada:



Under 40:
26 total people dead over 10 months
Under 50
246 total people dead over 10 months


Total nothing burger under 50. I see ONE dead person under 20, lol? 9 between 20-26. 9, in a country of 33M.

Italy:



Every country is like this. The data is in.

Just stfu about young people dying from corona. Average age of death for corona is 80 for many parts of the world if not most.

Yeah the stats don't lie. As a cause of death it's a huge nothingburger for the young. These stats include the first wave too when treatments were worse (the young tend to recover better from the brink obviously when treated well). For example in the US weekly relative death rates for the young are less than half the first wave now. So the numbers are even smaller than what you're quoting above.

This isn't an "admission" at all. It's always been known and agreed to by all. Everyone reading this knows this. You're just desperately being a lying, bad faith poster again because you got caught lying about friends on ventilators and are desperately trying to spin away from it. You're making it worse for yourself with every single post.

This has all been discussed and you know that. The data comes from the US, which you also know.

Why hasn't a moderator banned this idiot? He even himself says it's reasonable: You have a proven history of nasty dishonesty (lying about early 20s friends on ventilators) and are now tarding up this thread doubling down on your shameless lies with bad faith attacks on others to try and cover them up. It's sad.

Nearly every single country is like this with respect to age groups:



Looks like the "facts" are on my side again and lies and ignorance is your specialty.


It's like arguing against the weapons of mass destruction crowd back in 2003 and Cuepee is full on WMD's.

Don't have the foggiest clue, nor does the article say anything on that point. And nobody sane denies that it's impossible to die from covid if you're 35 and healthy -- just very unlikely.

... and of those, nine died.

I agree with the post in general.

However, just because someone is slightly overweight when they are young doesn't mean their immune system is compromised.

Since Americans are quite special with their obesity metrics, I would love to know exactly how many Americans under 50 are healthy.

It's under 60% based on obesity alone. Under 30% if you count overweight as unhealthy. The age breakdowns 0-20, 20-40, 40-60, 60+ are linked on this page:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/obesity-overweight.htm

See also
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...onditions.html