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03-22-2020 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by chytry
This is faulty thinking. This is not one of those events where it's over and everything is more or less back to normal straight away.
Even disasters that come and go quickly, like earthquakes and hurricanes, don't allow the economy to skyrocket.
I agree but there are still many that hold this position that it will just be a blip and then it's back to business as usual. Trump is just saying it to instill confidence and get re-elected.
03-22-2020 , 06:20 PM
For reference:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...0-out-of-work/

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The unemployment rate in Israel has skyrocketed to 16.5 percent, with over 500,000 people losing their jobs since the start of March, the Employment Service said Sunday.

The unemployment rate was 3.6% in the fourth quarter of last year, according to the Bank of Israel.

The head of the Employment Service said Friday that the number of unemployed people in Israel could reach one million if the coronavirus pandemic-prompted layoffs continue.
03-22-2020 , 06:27 PM
Anyone have the full list of stay at home orders now?

And why isn’t florida???
03-22-2020 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chytry
Where did you get this ridiculous figure?
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/coronav...-shortages-fda
It is believed that about 80 percent of the basic components used in U.S. drugs, known as active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs), come from China and India, though the exact dependence remains unknown since no reliable API registry exists.
Not sure where the "ridiculous" threshold lies but we're dependent on China for a fairly high percentage of our drugs.
03-22-2020 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNonPareil
Anyone have the full list of stay at home orders now?

And why isn’t florida???
03-22-2020 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by chytry

This is faulty thinking. This is not one of those events where it's over and everything is more or less back to normal straight away.
Even disasters that come and go quickly, like earthquakes and hurricanes, don't allow the economy to skyrocket.
Probably best to look at this as a temporary or potentially periodic labor shortage with all that entails. So if it's short enough, say a month or so of lockdown, then recovery will be fairly rapid. Longer or more often adjust accordingly.
03-22-2020 , 06:47 PM
What's the company that Trump is saying was making ventilators years ago?
03-22-2020 , 07:04 PM
Where’s Fauci?
03-22-2020 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Seedless00
Cherry picking tweets? You're ****ing joke right?
Are you saying they are not cherry-picked? She sounds plenty concerned to me:









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It is clearly obvious to anyone with a rational functioning brain could tell she was downplaying the virus.
It's not wrong to downplay specific things in response to terrible responses. Her general point (from late Jan / early Feb) seems rather clear - there's a whole lot we don't know, this is not the time to panic, the risks to individuals in the US are low, the country and the health care system need to prepare, but misinformation driven by xenophobia and racism and international travel bans don't really help. And she's been right about everything.

There seems to be this awful meme spreading both here and elsewhere that the Coronavirus turning out to be a pandemic retroactively justifies the travel bans but we're not see any evidence that this is the case. Within EU, Italy was the first to jump to a China travel ban and they had the biggest outbreak of them all. The US isn't doing any better than Canada despite the travel ban. South Korea, without any such travel ban, seems to have mostly contained the virus. The people that were saying travel bans are ineffective proved to be correct.
03-22-2020 , 07:19 PM
Scram coronabar, but before you do apologize to tooth and Larry for being yourself.
03-22-2020 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by John21
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/coronav...-shortages-fda
It is believed that about 80 percent of the basic components used in U.S. drugs, known as active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs), come from China and India, though the exact dependence remains unknown since no reliable API registry exists.
Not sure where the "ridiculous" threshold lies but we're dependent on China for a fairly high percentage of our drugs.
I checked Ireland's figures and 80% is nonsense when I compare medicaments exports and applicable categories imports from China.
03-22-2020 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by John21
Probably best to look at this as a temporary or potentially periodic labor shortage with all that entails. So if it's short enough, say a month or so of lockdown, then recovery will be fairly rapid. Longer or more often adjust accordingly.
It doesn't work like that. First, a month isn't enough. Second, a lot of productivity and income is lost even in just 1 month. You can't get it back and the economic shockwaves are already going through the entire global economy after a month.
03-22-2020 , 07:33 PM
How is facemask wearing in Germany?
03-22-2020 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ddmullet02
How do you see this impacting cancer treatment?
I already know 2 people here getting their treatment delayed! So I can't tell you beyond that, but people are being pulled off every file and area to be put into covid taskforces. Seems to me like cancer diagnosis will be the hardest hit. Don't see a huge change in children's hospitals, this is obviously for adults.

I also think they have to be insanely careful in clinic now. You imagine it gets into a cancer ward? lights out. Awful.
03-22-2020 , 07:37 PM
candybar SUCKS.

TS has made me a ton of money over the past few months and now he's not even posting anymore because of this tard.
03-22-2020 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rtd353
candybar SUCKS.

TS has made me a ton of money over the past few months and now he's not even posting anymore because of this tard.
Tooth not posting is pretty much the best thing to happen here. Him and his fans make BFI quite insufferable and I'm sure there are a lot of otherwise good posters who don't post here because of him. If he kept to just doing analysis, he's mediocre but not terrible, but combine that with his awful political takes and insults, he's a clear net negative.

Btw, if you think I'm wrong about something, why not prove me wrong? Your hero Tooth couldn't do it, it took like 2 or 3 posts for me to get him to ragequit. Why? Tooth isn't known for letting things go.
03-22-2020 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
Tooth not posting is pretty much the best thing to happen here. Him and his fans make BFI quite insufferable and I'm sure there are a lot of otherwise good posters who don't post here because of him. If he kept to just doing analysis, he's mediocre but not terrible, but combine that with his awful political takes and insults, he's a clear net negative.

Btw, if you think I'm wrong about something, why not prove me wrong? Your hero Tooth couldn't do it, it took like 2 or 3 posts for me to get him to ragequit. Why? Tooth isn't known for letting things go.
his posts are 90% very good analysis and maybe 5-10% political takes which i could care less about. He could be a Trump supporter, Bernie supporter or Hillary supporter, i literally couldn't care less. He makes people money and that is the only thing that matters.

The problem is with people like you who have NO interest in debating the analytics/numbers that he posts and only focus on the 1 out of every 20 posts that he mentions Trump and are incapable of just focusing on what is relevant to this forum and inevitably derail the thread. EVERY SINGLE TIME when you or people like you respond the thread inevitably gets derailed and turns into ****.
03-22-2020 , 08:01 PM
This thread has gone to complete **** over the weekend. Time to lock it up.
03-22-2020 , 08:02 PM
Isn't he in Croatia? There was a major earthquake there, that might be why...
03-22-2020 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
Tooth not posting is pretty much the best thing to happen here. Him and his fans make BFI quite insufferable and I'm sure there are a lot of otherwise good posters who don't post here because of him. If he kept to just doing analysis, he's mediocre but not terrible, but combine that with his awful political takes and insults, he's a clear net negative.

Btw, if you think I'm wrong about something, why not prove me wrong? Your hero Tooth couldn't do it, it took like 2 or 3 posts for me to get him to ragequit. Why? Tooth isn't known for letting things go.
The responses in this thread prove you are wrong about your first point. In fact, everyone is saying YOU are the worst thing to happen to this thread. I don't even care about him not posting, I only care about you posting, because it is universally terrible. You are the one making this thread insufferable, though I'll give you that you aren't the only one at this point.

I would also challenge your point about his analysis being terrible, as it has been spot on with reference to the market reaction to CV and the price action of Tesla from around the first time it hit 350. Literally as good as it gets on both fronts.

I would also challenge your point about many quality posters not posting simply because of TS. The only one I can think of is Mrbaseball, which is certainly unfortunate. Most people with half a brain can just ignore him when hes going off the rails. grizy is a perfect example.

It always blows me away when people who obviously aren't complete idiots can't see past their own nose when it comes to things like this. Maybe its ego, but I'm pretty sure its personality disorder.
03-22-2020 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rtd353
The problem is with people like you who have NO interest in debating the analytics/numbers that he posts and only focus on the 1 out of every 20 posts that he mentions Trump and inevitably derail the thread. EVERY SINGLE TIME the thread gets derailed and turns into ****.
First, I'm probably the most analytical person here (I basically do data analysis for a living) and you should not pay much attention to any analysis here. There's lots of great analysis being done by people who know how to do these kinds of things (unlike Tooth) all over the internet, leaving no reason to take anything seriously here. It's at best a link aggregator.

Second, your description of what happened is incorrect. I didn't focus on Tooth or anything he said at all - I just posted something about the specific ways in which Trump failed, not as a response to Tooth or anything else, and without any political content whatsoever (https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=2587), Tooth immediately jumped to reply, with gratuitous insults, all kinds of political nonsense about "left wing thinking" in a reply that was also littered with errors and poor thinking. I then replied to his post, correcting these errors. He responded to this saying he won't post for a few weeks. So it took me a grand total of 1 reply to Tooth, which was mostly corrections, before he quit. Why?

Third, if you actually care about insights and analysis, shouldn't you appreciate how I'm highlighting the errors in how people think? I've been careful to explain the ways in which Tooth is wrong, not just the specific instance, but in a broader, categorical sense. Ultimately, that should be your takeaway if you want to make money trading or whatever. It's much more important to be able to think critically (and this means you don't think in terms of experts good, experts bad) than to get a few trading tips. I doubt you can statistically validate the value of Tooth tips any how.
03-22-2020 , 08:17 PM
Just stop
03-22-2020 , 08:24 PM
Can we contain Candybar somewhere?

Or he is like covid?

Spoiler:
And can't be contained
03-22-2020 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
The responses in this thread prove you are wrong about your first point. In fact, everyone is saying YOU are the worst thing to happen to this thread.
This is partially about how bad this particular forum is at the moment. Tooth, whose previous account I think was banned for racist posting, is like the forum hero, despite his bigotry and partisan buffoonery being as awful as it's ever been and him being aggressively insulting lots of people on top of this.

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I only care about you posting, because it is universally terrible. You are the one making this thread insufferable, though I'll give you that you aren't the only one at this point.
Could you explain how I could improve my posting? In particular, what are some things that you do that I should emulate?

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I would also challenge your point about his analysis being terrible
I specifically said his analysis is not terrible.

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I would also challenge your point about many quality posters not posting simply because of TS. The only one I can think of is Mrbaseball, which is certainly unfortunate. Most people with half a brain can just ignore him when hes going off the rails. grizy is a perfect example.
It's not about specific people - the quality in terms of the level of thinking here used to be much higher way back. When you have somebody like Tooth, you're essentially capping the quality of discourse. And he's not good enough to make it worthwhile.
03-22-2020 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by RuthSlayer
Cit counselor in training. I was making fun of you for being a 14yo sleep away camper because here most kids that age are in summer school or niche camps for sports or other activities.i.e. travel, band, code, etc..., but that was stupid of me. Liberal arts camp sounds like a great time.

New worries for heading back to work
I'd bang the 4 of em starting with the clothed redhead -)

      
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