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11-11-2017 , 12:36 PM
it was at 100k last night. it's been stuck at 100k all night.
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11-11-2017 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nooseknot
That's right, its ludicrous. So what is going on!?
does it matter?
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11-11-2017 , 12:41 PM
Btw, I do think BCH will find some adoption, it's the only exchange-friendly coin with a short-term scaling solution, although it would be nice if more businesses adopted segwit. Anyway, merchants are desperate for transaction relief, and could not care less about Core's principles of decentralization and privacy. But the nonsense that BCH is the new Bitcoin is absurd... Jihan, who is probably responsible for hoodwinking the NYA businesses, is tweeting this himself.
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11-11-2017 , 01:04 PM
It's a tacit assumption that there is a scaling problem though. It's held up by people that are enthusiastic about bitcoin but not knowledgeable about the problem that it is meant to solve. A bunch of early adopters like Andreas and Ver went around telling people bitcoin is going to kill banks and become a new world currency.

But the active devs and those that have spent 20 years working on the problem of a digital money, realized long ago that the trade off for the security needed it is such that it cannot scale to be a global currency.

They ARE working on layer 2 solutions but they aren't saying bitcoin will usurp all fiat etc.

Bitcoin has a role already, without improvements, as a digital gold. It can still store great value securely without scaling. The want to create a money that scales to having every person use it for free etc. is a silly one.

Its roger ver, telling the top developers in the world, "Make it free" and them telling him the economics doesn't work like that, the system is not costless. It's so silly but there are a lot of sincere people caught up in the lie because it sounds so great.

Szabo on scaling: http://unenumerated.blogspot.ca/2017...alability.html

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We need more socially scalable ways to securely count nodes, or to put it another way to with as much robustness against corruption as possible, assess contributions to securing the integrity of a blockchain. That is what proof-of-work and broadcast-replication are about: greatly sacrificing computational scalability in order to improve social scalability. That is Satoshi’s brilliant tradeoff. It is brilliant because humans are far more expensive than computers and that gap widens further each year. And it is brilliant because it allows one to seamlessly and securely work across human trust boundaries (e.g. national borders), in contrast to “call-the-cop” architectures like PayPal and Visa that continually depend on expensive, error-prone, and sometimes corruptible bureaucracies to function with a reasonable amount of integrity.
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. Blockchain technology, which implements data integrity via computer science rather than via “call the cops”, has so far made possible trust-minimized money -- cryptocurrencies – and will let us make progress in other financial areas as well as other areas where transactions can be based primarily on data available online.

This is not to say that adapting our institutions to our new capabilities will be easy, or indeed in particular cases anything short of difficult and improbable. Utopian schemes are very popular in the blockchain community, but they are not viable options. Reverse-engineering our highly evolved traditional institutions, and even reviving in new form some old ones, will usually work better than designing from scratch, than grand planning and game theory. One important strategy for doing so was demonstrated by Satoshi – sacrifice computational efficiency and scalability -- consume more cheap computational resources -- in order to reduce and better leverage the great expense in human resources needed to maintain the relationships between strangers involved modern institutions such as markets, large firms, and governments.
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11-11-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMVP
You have no idea what you're talking about. BCH is a meaningless distraction.

If anybody new to crypto is thinking about buying BCH thinking it will overtake BTC please take some time to do some research, it won't take long to change your mind.

I highly recommend Andreas Antonopoulos' most recent video on scaling, roughly ~10 mins long I think.
What are you talking about? Try transacting all day and paying fees and you'll start to see the appeal

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Originally Posted by HurricaneNick
Hey guys, I need your opinion on something:

I don't own any BTC right now but I'm thinking of buying some because I believe in it. I have this friend who dabbles around in stocks and he thinks BTC and cryptos in general are complete bs and stupid compared to his safe stocks. So he proposed a bet, shorting a BTC. Basically we take todays BTC rate and decide to check the rate on a date we agree on and we would just owe each other the difference. So if it falls from 7k to 2k I'd owe him 5k and if it goes up to 20k he'd owe me 13k.

I think this is a pretty good bet with a lot of upside for me and I don't really see BTC dropping by a lot in the near future. What do you think? Any idea what date we should decide too?
Make sure you bet on the price of the SUM of all forks. Otherwise you could get screwed. Bitcoin is the sum of all forks of it = Bitcoin Core + Bitcoin Cash + (Bitcoin Gold, in 2 days), etc...

https://twitter.com/BitcoinTotalBot
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11-11-2017 , 03:16 PM
Why is Kraken sooo laggy and glitchy? I can almost never get an order in cleanly.
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11-11-2017 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by commas,are,funny
Why is Kraken sooo laggy and glitchy? I can almost never get an order in cleanly.
Same here
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11-11-2017 , 03:23 PM
Everyone is reporting this. Probably getting more traffic than they can handle.
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11-11-2017 , 03:55 PM
This is somewhat of a hostile takeover. I think coinbase is a major player at this point. If they list BCH it’s possible for a flip, if they don’t it’s near impossible.
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11-11-2017 , 04:10 PM

https://twitter.com/ElectrumWallet/s...30017422757889
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11-11-2017 , 04:11 PM
I made a deposit 24+ hours ago onto Bittrex and it's still showing zero confirmations on the bittrex side and unconfirmed from my electrum wallet. It does show up as a pending deposit, so at least I know I sent it to the right address. Anyone else having these issues or know how to fix this problem?
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11-11-2017 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by augie_
amazing, someone posted this on july 30th. https://pastebin.com/n0aGBMQr

:O
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11-11-2017 , 07:31 PM
Just own both. I think the total of BTC and BCH added together = "bitcoin". The only people getting screwed are the ones who bought BTC after the fork and who had there coins somewhere where they won't get their BCH.

My question is how are the futures market going to be now?
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11-11-2017 , 07:46 PM
You can't deny a business their wish (so they can operate and make money as they are supposed to do...which automatically implies user consent if they are willing to pay!!!) and then go cry foul if somebody leaves after you tell them they're not welcome.

It's not Core's job to follow demands of anybody. They can do what they want, they work for free and we should all be glad that they do.

It's gonna be war and fun to see it play out.
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11-11-2017 , 09:15 PM
Consider me a converted skeptic. After reading recent posts I can't imagine what could go wrong.

To the moon!
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11-11-2017 , 09:28 PM
Where can I buy BCH from the US ? Is it worth it? Currently only holding BTC and some ETH
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11-11-2017 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by the real mg0698
Where can I buy BCH from the US ? Is it worth it? Currently only holding BTC and some ETH
It's not worth it. Ask yourself why you are considering it, and if you are knowledgeable enough to make an informed decision.
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11-11-2017 , 10:03 PM
The Btrash crash gonna be one for the ages.
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11-11-2017 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
Just own both. I think the total of BTC and BCH added together = "bitcoin". The only people getting screwed are the ones who bought BTC after the fork and who had there coins somewhere where they won't get their BCH.

My question is how are the futures market going to be now?
Wat?

Does ETC + ETH = Ethereum?

No.
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11-11-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMVP
Wat?

Does ETC + ETH = Ethereum?

No.
They have completely different structures and different paths. BTC and BCH are exactly the same thing except one is faster and cheaper. Hell, bovada already accepts BCH. That's adoption right there folks. The people who are actually using bitcoin, want to use BCH
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11-11-2017 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
They have completely different structures. BTC and BCH are exactly the same thing except one is faster and cheaper. Hell, bovada already accepts BCH. That's adoption right there folks. The people who are actually using bitcoin, want to use BCH
Are they still taking BTC? (rhetorical)
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11-11-2017 , 10:31 PM
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Are they still taking BTC? (rhetorical)
ya
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11-11-2017 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
The people who are actually using bitcoin, want to use BCH
^This.

BTC is an unusable mess. If it doesn't hard fork in the near future to raise the block size it will get passed up by ETH or BCH. SegWit had almost no measurable impact on fees. And with it's slow adoption rate, it won't keep pace with transaction rates.

Right now the only way to reduce fees on the main chain is for everyone to leave and stop using it...that won't help your "Digital Gold's" value.
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11-11-2017 , 10:35 PM
Fees at 700 sats a byte, or 9$. S1x death spiral is a possibility, it is an outside event but the magnitude is severe enough to make it worth understanding the actual system dynamics at play.

s1x chain has less hash power > transactions don't go through > speculators and users switch to BCH > less incentive to mine 1x chain > fees spike to 100$? > repeat until difficulty adjustment kicks in, the worse it gets the longer it takes to get to the adjustment, too long and the chain dies or hard forks to save itself. Either case helps BCH.

New entrants that bought BTC get killed.
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11-11-2017 , 10:35 PM
fees don't effect bitcoin's usefulness for high value transfers, and that is why the fees exist in the first place, because people are willing to pay them. They are a sign of a valued utility.
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