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05-01-2021 , 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
I would go 80/15/5 for Bitcoin/Ethereum/Other as a portfolio based on nothing other than my intuition.

I think one of the great things Ethereum has going for them is that Tether, USDC, and WBTC are all dependent on the platform. Ethereum acts less like a currency currently and more like a gatekeeper. That being said, I have very little Ethereum (less than 1%), because I’m more bullish on Bitcoin right now. A lot of people seem to be transferring large parts of their BTC over to ETH and I think Bitcoin will boom shortly after.

I made this post last night before Bitcoin started going up, but 2+2 refreshed my page and I lost everything. I didn’t feel like typing it out again at the time.

Case3 does have a point about it being negative sum, but the negative sum is only because of the demand. You could argue the cost of not having the double spend problem is worth the energy being expended. There is also the argument that it could push for cleaner energy in the future, but I’m not convinced this later argument is a good one.
Opposite for me. I'm likely going 80/20 in favor of ETH. Already switched to 60/40 in favor of ETH, weighing my options still in light of the taxes i'll have to pay.

Good luck sir.
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05-01-2021 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
I would go 80/15/5 for Bitcoin/Ethereum/Other as a portfolio based on nothing other than my intuition.

I think one of the great things Ethereum has going for them is that Tether, USDC, and WBTC are all dependent on the platform. Ethereum acts less like a currency currently and more like a gatekeeper. That being said, I have very little Ethereum (less than 1%), because I’m more bullish on Bitcoin right now. A lot of people seem to be transferring large parts of their BTC over to ETH and I think Bitcoin will boom shortly after.

I made this post last night before Bitcoin started going up, but 2+2 refreshed my page and I lost everything. I didn’t feel like typing it out again at the time.

Case3 does have a point about it being negative sum, but the negative sum is only because of the demand. You could argue the cost of not having the double spend problem is worth the energy being expended. There is also the argument that it could push for cleaner energy in the future, but I’m not convinced this later argument is a good one.
Overall pretty reasonable and fairly similar to my points of view. I wanted to buy more ETH when the BTC/ETH pair dipped, but... well, at this point I'm just bagholding the BTC I have at this point. ETH too expensive.

I don't think the BTC/ETH ratio matters too much overall as long as the vast majority of core exposure is there, both will do quite well. I'm more bullish on ETH but I view BTC as more of a sure win. Bottom line is that owning either is just crushing normalized returns in the stock market, private equity, business, whatever. How far one needs to push the envelope to maximize off of already insane returns is somewhat debatable/subjective.

A problem with Case3's argument is that while he's obviously correct, it is negative sum, it's that he asserts that this is a bad thing which is fundamentally not true. Poker is a negative sum game and yet here we all are on this forum for a variety of what I'd argue are quite positive reasons. So many things on the planet are negative sum in terms of winners and losers and yet that's not bad. Cryptocurrency has led to an ongoing spur in FinTech development, democratization of money, competition against corruption in governments and so much more. Focusing only on the fact that miners get paid out and whatever else is completely missing the point.

Most of these arguments also just never even come close to holding water relative to the fiat equation either. Okay, so BTC has all these costs. Well what about the USD? Does it just come for free? Obviously not. There's insane costs associated with it's production and distribution, meaning that the USD is also negative sum. Is that a bad thing? Definitely not.
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05-01-2021 , 12:27 PM
You were saying BTC to 500k is a sure thing and several million dollar bitcoin was likely. Now ETH is outperforming BTC in the short term and you're more bullish on eth. lol
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05-01-2021 , 01:16 PM
Who has the best track record in BFI? I'm betting it's Two Shae.
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05-01-2021 , 02:22 PM
Bill Maher sounds mad he didn't get in.

https://youtu.be/HaJpYjO136o
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05-01-2021 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by H0RUS
So short bitcoin to hell and get warren buffett rich, nostradamus
This

I never understood the superconfident directional takes.

Even if they are right, I hope they at least put their money where their mouth is, and if they have some rebuttal about shorting today like "the ponziwave will probably go higher first", then why not ride it to the top then short the way down holding USD as collateral and make all the money off this bs?

That is the way. That is gto if you know what way the line will move.





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05-01-2021 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
Who has the best track record in BFI? I'm betting it's Two Shae.
Guessing Kazuya is waffle crushing. Not like Twoshae isn't too tho.
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05-01-2021 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SpursDynasty
Bill Maher sounds mad he didn't get in.

https://youtu.be/HaJpYjO136o
I've always quite liked Maher, but this level of ignorance and arrogance makes a Fox News host look tame.
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05-01-2021 , 05:43 PM
I love how he juts his jaw out like "Hmmmm my audience is full of idiots" when they cheer for Dogecoin.
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05-01-2021 , 07:27 PM
Question: From 1933-1975 gold was banned and confiscated by the U.S government by making it illegal to own and the government bought the gold held by private individuals at more or less market value. What's to stop the governments of the world to do this to cryptocurrency if it becomes developed and adopted enough to challenge the U.S.D as the world reserve currency in the future?
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05-01-2021 , 08:11 PM
Hard to confiscate Smth you can store in your mind.
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05-01-2021 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
Question: From 1933-1975 gold was banned and confiscated by the U.S government by making it illegal to own and the government bought the gold held by private individuals at more or less market value. What's to stop the governments of the world to do this to cryptocurrency if it becomes developed and adopted enough to challenge the U.S.D as the world reserve currency in the future?
You can’t memorize a million dollars worth of gold and carry it in your brain across borders.
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05-01-2021 , 09:02 PM
This week I learned that this is what $800,000 dollars of confiscated Bitcoin looks like:
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05-01-2021 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SpursDynasty
Bill Maher sounds mad he didn't get in.

https://youtu.be/HaJpYjO136o
haha it was fun, he made some valid points but like most people he confuses bitcoin with blockchain technology
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05-01-2021 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
Question: From 1933-1975 gold was banned and confiscated by the U.S government by making it illegal to own and the government bought the gold held by private individuals at more or less market value. What's to stop the governments of the world to do this to cryptocurrency if it becomes developed and adopted enough to challenge the U.S.D as the world reserve currency in the future?
This is a valid concern. It really doesn’t matter if you can have Bitcoin if you can’t exchange it for anything. I actually typed out a possible future in my last post before 2+2 randomly refreshed.

Suppose the dollar collapses and they adopt crypto currency. Lets say the US creates Fedcoin which is backed 1 to 1 with Bitcoin. It essentially is wBTC but also has smart contracts and is easy to transact because it is centralized. It also is the only crypto coin that has no capital gains tax. Fedcoin has smart contracts for things like sales tax, government kickbacks, etc.

One day the government decides to hide the Fedcoin Blockchain from the public because of a made up reason such as other government interference, while the real reason is to create more Fedcoin to stimulate the economy. A few years go by and the government passes another law that makes it illegal to own Bitcoin and must be turned into Fedcoin by a specified date. What they say the reason for this law is, is to counter tax evasion and illegal activities while the real reason is to hide the fact that Fedcoin is no longer backed 1 to 1 by Bitcoin. Further more, congress passes an additional law that allows the government to audit your computers and other electronic devices. Or the government decides it is illegal to own electronic devices like computers and phones. Then people will rent them instead of owning them allowing tech companies to become even more profitable. Then currency crashes again and the cycle repeats.

THE END
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05-01-2021 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Irieguy
You can’t memorize a million dollars worth of gold and carry it in your brain across borders.
What does that changes anything on his question.

You really think in 1933, all citizens were 100% giving their gold away or some said hell to government and hold their own gold ?

i dont think millions of americans have millions of $ worth in bitcoins.
Some do obv. but no policies are 100% efficient anyway.

It do not means it cant happen in the future.
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05-01-2021 , 11:01 PM
To clarify, the questions is: What is to stop Russia, China and the other governments of this world collectively banning Bitcoin if it threatens the USD as the world reserve currency, because the US government banned gold before?
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05-01-2021 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
Just declaring it illegal will wreck people in that country. How many people do you think are going to break the law and risk jail / huge fines to buy crypto or want to deal with smugglers and gangs? Do you think the guy buying Dogecoin is going to meet with an unknown black market dealer in a dark alley to trade bitcoin?

There will still be a market but get real if you think government regulation can't harm bitcoin.
Do you know how many people invested in bitcoin after turkey baned bitcoin?
Take a look and talk to me later
I wish they ban it in USA as an european myself. Bitcoin would get an huge pump and premium long term
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05-02-2021 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Exothermic
Question: From 1933-1975 gold was banned and confiscated by the U.S government by making it illegal to own and the government bought the gold held by private individuals at more or less market value. What's to stop the governments of the world to do this to cryptocurrency if it becomes developed and adopted enough to challenge the U.S.D as the world reserve currency in the future?
They can't take normal individually held cold storage money, but of all of the crypto, mostly the important ones held on exchanges like BTC/ETH, they could certainly do this if they wanted to. It's probably one of the bigger pieces of the pie of the "not your keys not your coins" narrative when specifically talking about major exchanges in developed countries like Coinbase.

Granted, I think that's still unlikely. But very far from impossible.

I'll admit that it's one of many reasons I'm not using BlockFi lending.
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05-02-2021 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by RedOak
Ok, I will leave if it goes over 62k, but I will be back when it falls back under 62k. Warren Buffett has his annual meeting May 1, at 9:30 AM PDT. He has called bitcon "rat poison squared". Maybe he will call it "rat poison cubed" now that it is higher. He might mention it as a bad investment tomorrow, and it will likely send bitcon down 1-2%.
Today Munger and Buffett, two of the greatest investors of all time did make their negative comment on bitcon:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/b...205930375.html

Bitcon was $57,824 when these comments were made. It then plunged to $56,665 but is now $56,999 down 1.4% or over $14 billion dollars just as I predicted. You're welcome.
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05-02-2021 , 02:08 AM
Bitcoin down 1.4%????????? Someone alert the press!
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05-02-2021 , 02:39 AM
I'm sorry but Buffet and Munger have so little clout in 2021. You're living in the stone age bud.

It's nothing more than the mutterings of old men who love their banks.
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05-02-2021 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
Suppose the dollar collapses and they adopt crypto currency. Lets say the US creates Fedcoin which is backed 1 to 1 with Bitcoin.


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Originally Posted by TheGodson
One day the government decides to hide the Fedcoin Blockchain from the public because of a made up reason such as other government interference, while the real reason is to create more Fedcoin to stimulate the economy. Or the government decides it is illegal to own electronic devices like computers and phones. Then people will rent them instead of owning them allowing tech companies to become even more profitable. Then currency crashes again and the cycle repeats.
Dude I'm sorry but you consistently post the craziest nonsensical illogical shit.



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05-02-2021 , 03:26 AM
RedOak has to be trolling lol. Probably owns more bitcoin than all of us.
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05-02-2021 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dochrohan
I'm sorry but Buffet and Munger have so little clout in 2021. You're living in the stone age bud.

It's nothing more than the mutterings of old men who love their banks.
They're only a few of the best investors of the century. In the next bear market they'll probably make a lot of money.
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