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10-05-2014 , 03:58 PM
went pretty heavy margin long on futures right now at okcoin, 307 base, but futures were priced lower than the index at 314. there's bullish divergences on rsi for 1h, and 4h charts. we may have had the bottom today. very possible

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10-05-2014 , 04:10 PM
lol 30,000 btc bear whale came back , back to cash with a loss
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10-05-2014 , 04:52 PM

Gonna be bearmarket for a while...
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10-05-2014 , 05:39 PM
40,000 btc wallet on the move

i saw a 30,000 btc wallet on the move in the blockchain about 2 hours before the super bear whale showed up

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comm...he_move_early/
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10-05-2014 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by andr3w321
I think we're close to the bottom. Everyone's panicking and talking about price again. I wish I had signed up at circle earlier. I want to buy some cheap coins but I'm too nitty to pay the high ATM fees or prepaid cc fees so have to wait 2-3 days for bank verification.
FYI For anyone else looking to buy quickly. I was able to buy $3k worth on coinbase instantly 10 mins after signing up and verifying my bank acct for a $30 fee. Very easy process and much less sketchy than wiring funds to bitstamp or mtgox like I've done in the past. The BTC won't show up in my acct for four days though apparently. I assume this is so you can't reverse their ACH.
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10-05-2014 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by unggio
nobody in here trades btc? i closed out my short at 366, was too tired to monitor my futures, slept, now sitting on the sidelines wishing i was still short as we just broke 350
How do I go about shorting btc?
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10-05-2014 , 06:11 PM
What is bear whale's motivation? Seems like a pretty terrible way to unload coins.

I feel like it has to be a bluffwall

The fact that he had his original wall in at 300, and then didn't want to sell while there was good volume between 300-320 makes me think he is manipulating the market downwards... possibly towards his own bids.

Might actually be a bull-whale in the end

Last edited by the_main; 10-05-2014 at 06:27 PM. Reason: aaaaand its gone
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10-05-2014 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
How do I go about shorting btc?
b i t f i n e x
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10-05-2014 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gullanian
Simplest explanation, he wants out and is discovering the difficulty of getting out in an illiquid market.

30k BTC at $300 is $9,000,000 USD, a nice pay day.
why would she sell on an exchange though, I image with a lot that big off exchange would be a much better option.
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10-05-2014 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by unggio
went pretty heavy margin long on futures right now at okcoin, 307 base, but futures were priced lower than the index at 314. there's bullish divergences on rsi for 1h, and 4h charts. we may have had the bottom today. very possible

Go repeat this nonsense gibberish to any human being who has been a success in markets over any significant time period and they will laugh you out of the room or spit in your face. Go tell a 3rd grader this garbage and see what look you get.

You are born to lose. Time to have a come to Jesus moment and either change your thinking, or never invest another dollar in anything else in your life. What you said is basically crap, and disgusting crap at that. It is because of know nothing's like you that many people get sucked into being losers when it comes to things finance. Shame on your lack of knowledge and even worse shame on your willingness to spew it all over the Internet. Yuck.
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10-05-2014 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by the_main
What is bear whale's motivation? Seems like a pretty terrible way to unload coins.

I feel like it has to be a bluffwall

The fact that he had his original wall in at 300, and then didn't want to sell while there was good volume between 300-320 makes me think he is manipulating the market downwards... possibly towards his own bids.

Might actually be a bull-whale in the end
im pretty sure it is NOT a bluff wall.

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd


he left it at a limit sell order at $300, he let the price pump to 320s and market dumped 2k into the bid side, then hes been letting people at at least 5k coins since then.

this shows just how fragile the price of bitcoin can be. this may very well exhaust the buying power of the bulls. what if another 30k shows up in a few weeks?

was just told all banks in china are on holiday until the 8th, means no fiat wires coming in. we may continue to drop for a few more days.

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10-05-2014 , 10:50 PM
Someone explain to me this massive sell-off and what it means in layman's terms
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10-05-2014 , 10:51 PM
The degen in me loves this action. Such a rollercoaster of a day. It's going to be an interesting next few days I think.
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10-05-2014 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by unggio
im pretty sure it is NOT a bluff wall.

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd


he left it at a limit sell order at $300, he let the price pump to 320s and market dumped 2k into the bid side, then hes been letting people at at least 5k coins since then.

this shows just how fragile the price of bitcoin can be. this may very well exhaust the buying power of the bulls. what if another 30k shows up in a few weeks?

was just told all banks in china are on holiday until the 8th, means no fiat wires coming in. we may continue to drop for a few more days.
Yeah it seems I was wrong. I just can't comprehend what this seller is thinking.

Really curious to see what happens if he leaves this wall to get bought up.
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10-06-2014 , 12:02 AM
Some really good arbitrage situations right now.
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10-06-2014 , 12:16 AM

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10-06-2014 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DickFuld
Some really good arbitrage situations right now.

If you totally discount all kinds of risk that are too numerous to mention. It is not like you just press a button and get free money. There is risk and potential crime and dishonesty everywhere, as well as good intentioned groups/companies getting shut down, stolen from, etc.

Of course, if that equals zero then you might have a point.
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10-06-2014 , 01:30 AM
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If you totally discount all kinds of risk that are too numerous to mention. It is not like you just press a button and get free money. There is risk and potential crime and dishonesty everywhere, as well as good intentioned groups/companies getting shut down, stolen from, etc.

Of course, if that equals zero then you might have a point.
Of course you are extremely new to bitcoin when I have actively traded it and been involved with bitcoin before everyone itt. You also continuously post bull****, literally every single post you make. You are extremely far gone and far too narcissistic to ever provide any intelligible or contributory thought to this community.

Just warning others here to beware of posts from dogmoon. His (brief) history speaks volumes to the lack of substance he will provide here.
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10-06-2014 , 02:16 AM
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Yeah it seems I was wrong. I just can't comprehend what this seller is thinking.

Really curious to see what happens if he leaves this wall to get bought up.
A friend posted on FB news about the recent price drop and decided to check what 2p2 thinks.

From personal experience I can tell you exactly what he is thinking.

Being a semi-early adopter, bought most of my coins in the range of $50-$100. I wasn't a trader, just a hoarded believing in the long-term. Thought it wasn't a big amount(~100btc), BTC became an obsession. Every morning the first thing to do was to check the price, every 15 minutes refresh the charts, reading everything I can find online. BTC was my life, I just couldn't stop thinking/talking about it. During the first big swing from $50 to $250 and back to $100back with a dip to $60 the feeling was like ecstasy, but somehow managed to will myself out of buying/selling any coins. 6 months later was the next swing from 300$ to 1200$. The day BTC went from 500$ to 900$ is the day I will never forget. I lack the vocabulary to even begin to explain this feeling. When the price touched 1200$ the adrenaline rush was stronger than a skydiving jump, and when it dropped to $800 it was the worst I had ever felt in my life. In the span of 24h I had by far the best day together with the worst day in my life. BTC was affecting my life too much, it was time to end it. Sold almost all of my coins at 740$ and never went back to it.

If the guy is an early adopter, which is most certainly true, leaving BTC with 9MM is the best decision he can make. His life won't change too much having 9MM or 35MM, but the stress of swinging 7/8 figures up and down is too much for anyone to handle. Earlier adopters were lucky. They were on the right place at the right time and made some money out of it. They are not professional wall street traders who can make/lose 7 figures daily without flinching.

PS. Remember playing with you in Macao few years ago. NL 5k, table next to the cashier and you had the biggest tower of black chips I have ever seen

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10-06-2014 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by iLLuS10n-
A friend posted on FB news about the recent price drop and decided to check what 2p2 thinks.

From personal experience I can tell you exactly what he is thinking.

Being a semi-early adopter, bought most of my coins in the range of $50-$100. I wasn't a trader, just a hoarded believing in the long-term. Thought it wasn't a big amount(~100btc), BTC became an obsession. Every morning the first thing to do was to check the price, every 15 minutes refresh the charts, reading everything I can find online. BTC was my life, I just couldn't stop thinking/talking about it. During the first big swing from $50 to $250 and back to $100back with a dip to $60 the feeling was like ecstasy, but somehow managed to will myself out of buying/selling any coins. 6 months later was the next swing from 300$ to 1200$. The day BTC went from 500$ to 900$ is the day I will never forget. I lack the vocabulary to even begin to explain this feeling. When the price touched 1200$ the adrenaline rush was stronger than a skydiving jump, and when it dropped to $800 it was the worst I had ever felt in my life. In the span of 24h I had by far the best day together with the worst day in my life. BTC was affecting my life too much, it was time to end it. Sold almost all of my coins at 740$ and never went back to it.

If the guy is an early adopter, which is most certainly true, leaving BTC with 9MM is the best decision he can make. His life won't change too much having 9MM or 35MM, but the stress of swinging 7/8 figures up and down is too much for anyone to handle. Earlier adopters were lucky. They were on the right place at the right time and made some money out of it. They are not professional wall street traders who can make/lose 7 figures daily without flinching.

PS. Remember playing with you in Macao few years ago. NL 5k, table next to the cashier and you had the biggest tower of black chips I have ever seen

Having $4.5M or $9M won't make a huge difference either, so why not sell off half, let the rest ride.

Most people can't handle these kinds of swongs, which is the same reason most people aren't cut out for higher stakes poker. You just have to look at a long term perspective and think of it as valueless points until then, and make smart decisions. It's weird I sweat the BTC price with a fairly insubstantial holding right now when I used to play poker with daily losses or gains exceeding my total holdings in BTC, but without the sweat. You get used to it (or you have to, or you fail). It's just a mindset most people aren't cut out for. When I first started playing, a $1000 daily loss was just so incomprehensible and so painful. After a while, mrbeanrollercoaster.gif.
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10-06-2014 , 11:48 AM
https://blockchain.info/address/1Ppp...3gKb872aeRX1q7

rumors are that was an OTC trade


the timing of the super bear whale wall getting eaten was 8am london time. right when bank wires come in.

maybe a hint that this is the buyer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...535#msg9100535

loaded is a confirmed early adopter
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comm...intalkorg_ama/


tomorrow is the first day that chinese bank wires start to flow in. they're on holiday until Oct 8th. 10/7/14 5pm PST will be interesting to watch for any major pumps.


okcoin has futures that charges no swap fees, it has weekly, monthly and quarterly, a large amount of liquidity and up to 10x leverage.
https://www.okcoin.com/?invid=2010420

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10-06-2014 , 12:49 PM
Such interesting times we live in.
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10-06-2014 , 03:27 PM
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Having $4.5M or $9M won't make a huge difference either, so why not sell off half, let the rest ride.
Maybe that is what he is doing. Maybe he has 60k BTC instead of the 30k you are assuming.

It's days like these that makes me question if BTC will ever become a serious player. Not just because of the huge swings, but because there are huge swings and because of its anonymous nature nobody knows what is going on.

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10-06-2014 , 03:48 PM
Gradually people will hold less and less coins relative to the total amount as large holders take profits and what not. One thing that nobody seems to address is if a large player like coinbase who holds who knows how many coins got hacked. Yes I know they hold most in cold storage, but nothing is iron clad. All it could take is a corrupt employee.

If one thief gets a massive amount of coins it's literally game over. This is the problem with alot of coins being centralized.
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10-06-2014 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by onemoretimes
Gradually people will hold less and less coins relative to the total amount as large holders take profits and what not. One thing that nobody seems to address is if a large player like coinbase who holds who knows how many coins got hacked. Yes I know they hold most in cold storage, but nothing is iron clad. All it could take is a corrupt employee.

If one thief gets a massive amount of coins it's literally game over. This is the problem with alot of coins being centralized.
Some of the early adopters may never cash out. Just keep their coins in bitcoins and spend them in bitcoins no need for fiat.

Mtgox has already been "hacked" for a huge amount of coins and it was certainly not game over. This is not a problem exclusive to bitcoin. If the NYSE or JP Morgan were hacked it would be game over for fiat too.
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