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12-03-2019 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace Jackoff
What percentage of Eastern European accounts in MTTs with reg type stats are bots? Seems like every time I play tournaments on this site there's at least four of them at every table.

If you allow Russians on your site, they will cheat and destroy the games. **** them.
about 5-40%
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12-03-2019 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Javoc
about 5-40%
At some time 50NL + Blitz every table has 4-5 Regs from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. They don't have to be bots but as long as we will have players from low income counties together with rich countries - games will be tough.
Eastern Europeans are happy to grind and study at high level for 5-10$/hr and in USA you have to love poker to do that because on financial side less than 40$/hr could motivate just kids. I know myself that playing anything than less 50NL barely motivates me but at the same time I don't really want to donate to people who take it very seriously.

I have nothing against people from other countries and I myself speak 5 languages and frequent Russian and Spanish speaking forums too but it is very bad business model( amateurs will loose money very quickly and will never comeback if low stakes populated by pros from low earning countries) to have those pools together.

Last edited by stumbras; 12-03-2019 at 10:29 PM.
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12-03-2019 , 11:08 PM
What are the best promotions here for new players?
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12-03-2019 , 11:59 PM
Anyone else notice the # of players in the $200 MDS keep changing. Yesterday they had it at an 2300 today in the morning it's at 2301 and now it's at 2299 what's up with that?
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12-04-2019 , 02:13 AM
people are regging and unregging the real issue with that tourney is they are paying about 12% but only about 8% are bagging to the 2nd day
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12-04-2019 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
At some time 50NL + Blitz every table has 4-5 Regs from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. They don't have to be bots but as long as we will have players from low income counties together with rich countries - games will be tough.
Eastern Europeans are happy to grind and study at high level for 5-10$/hr and in USA you have to love poker to do that because on financial side less than 40$/hr could motivate just kids. I know myself that playing anything than less 50NL barely motivates me but at the same time I don't really want to donate to people who take it very seriously.

I have nothing against people from other countries and I myself speak 5 languages and frequent Russian and Spanish speaking forums too but it is very bad business model( amateurs will loose money very quickly and will never comeback if low stakes populated by pros from low earning countries) to have those pools together.
Why do they choose to play on ACR when they can play on 888, party, or stars? The only reason I can think of is because Americans are typically bad players, but still, why would they choose acr over these sites?
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12-04-2019 , 03:10 PM
I keep having 2 issues that I can't seem to fix:

1) player box color codings seem to disappear randomly until I re-tag them

2) I can't get the rewards > achievements page to load, it just shows a solid gray on that screen so I can't redeem anything. I have tried reinstalling the client, and updating the usual flash/java/etc. and nothing seems to be working.

Any ideas? Thanks.
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12-04-2019 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by stumbras
At some time 50NL + Blitz every table has 4-5 Regs from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. They don't have to be bots but as long as we will have players from low income counties together with rich countries - games will be tough.
Eastern Europeans are happy to grind and study at high level for 5-10$/hr and in USA you have to love poker to do that because on financial side less than 40$/hr could motivate just kids. I know myself that playing anything than less 50NL barely motivates me but at the same time I don't really want to donate to people who take it very seriously.

I have nothing against people from other countries and I myself speak 5 languages and frequent Russian and Spanish speaking forums too but it is very bad business model( amateurs will loose money very quickly and will never comeback if low stakes populated by pros from low earning countries) to have those pools together.
You seem to be suggesting that it's unfair to be playing against other players who work harder on their training and put more hours in than you do. Isn't that life, and isn't that poker?
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12-04-2019 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bouglas
You seem to be suggesting that it's unfair to be playing against other players who work harder on their training and put more hours in than you do. Isn't that life, and isn't that poker?
I'm not 100% sure that is exactly his point. I think the point is that for Eastern European players, micro amounts of USD translate better into their cost of living than it would for more of the Western world.

Belarus for example, the average monthly wage is around $200 USD (google searched). Therefore, you can safely grind up a decent living with a superior skill set compared to amateurs or beginners where the USD or Euro is prevalent.

If I make 1 buy in a day at NL10 on ACR, I'm at roughly $300 a month which is 150% of average in Belarus. If I do that where I live in the US, $300 is just less than 8 hours pay at my programming job.
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12-04-2019 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Javoc
Why do they choose to play on ACR when they can play on 888, party, or stars? The only reason I can think of is because Americans are typically bad players, but still, why would they choose acr over these sites?
Have you ever played on 888 or party? They literally have no action in some stakes... 888 has like no tables of micro or mid PLO games...
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12-04-2019 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Javoc
Why do they choose to play on ACR when they can play on 888, party, or stars? The only reason I can think of is because Americans are typically bad players, but still, why would they choose acr over these sites?
In two sentences, you've managed to ask, answer, and then ask the same question again. The answer's right there in the middle, and it's the same as it is on most sites - it's all about where players feel they have a chance of making a profit, and the playing field's the biggest factor. Well, that and rake, of course.
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12-04-2019 , 06:08 PM
is TruePoker, ACR and BCP the same thing?
I mean, do they all share the same actual games? So it doesnt really matter if you play the Venom on TruePoker or on ACR?
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12-04-2019 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TronaldDump
is TruePoker, ACR and BCP the same thing?
I mean, do they all share the same actual games? So it doesnt really matter if you play the Venom on TruePoker or on ACR?
Yes, yes, and no doesnt matter.
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12-04-2019 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Javoc
Yes, yes, and no doesnt matter.
There are a few things that are ACR exclusive; I now use TRUE because I like my username better but in the past there have been certain freezeout tournaments, certain freerolls (even the makeup tournament freebuys), and for a while(they might still be open) US ONLY tables that were ACR exclusive.

Also, something about spinnning cards for first time depositors, but I didn't know wtf that was so I never used it.
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12-04-2019 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ladybruin
Interesting. I've watched the PLO Blitz pool lobby and it is brutally dead. There have been times when apparently there is more than one person in the pool, but not at least 6 people and it has not started. Obviously it can be coded to run with less than 6 players OR to not run with less than 6 and who the heck knows what changes in the almost weekly WPN updates. Most poker sites like PS, PP, Bovada, etc. have it set to run with less than 6, at least at the higher stakes. PLO Blitz needs to have the run with less than 6 players switch turned on to get that game running.
gotcha. I'm playing the 200NL and have logged >1k HU hands just in the last week with a thin pool.
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12-04-2019 , 10:00 PM
Christ the graphical layout of the tables is pure aids, it looks like they were designed by Nagy himself. The uneven seat spacing with the blinds squeezed together is ridiculous. The old layout was perfect, these people really are brain dead.
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12-04-2019 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by GarbageReg
Christ the graphical layout of the tables is pure aids, it looks like they were designed by Nagy himself. The uneven seat spacing with the blinds squeezed together is ridiculous. The old layout was perfect, these people really are brain dead.
I agree the old view was much better. I just started playing again on bcp and the old view from day a few years back what much better. THe mtt structures are amazing I must admit though.

Do a lot of bots play blitz etc? I致e played some blitz and it痴 rough. Some of the Belarus/Russian/ etc accts seem really good and to be bots. I think I知 going to stick to 10nlhe in rush bc I suck at cash and it just seems the 50 and 100nlhe are tough (I致e never been a cash game grinder/ winner in cash though)
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12-04-2019 , 11:53 PM
After I made my exchange rate complaint about being charged 3% different rate on 2 deposits I made back to back Saturday afternoon, they put some money in my account today. It was only a $12 refund, but it’s hard not to say something when you notice that.
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12-05-2019 , 01:47 AM
There is only a few days left in the calendar year. My VIP points are still off to the tune of thousands of dollars. The way the levels of distinction medals are unlocked means that excess RP exceeding the last level of distinction you hit for the year are completely worthless. There is no way WPN could ever compensate me for these RP even if they end up giving me the CP that they owe me. WPN committed massive fraud against VIP players and affiliates this year.

Hand histories are a total joke and probably will never be fixed. It seems that the software was coded improperly and Phil Nagy decided to just go forward with the software knowing that it was non functional. It also seems likely that WPN may actually not have accurate records of the missing hand histories in both cash games and MTTs as well as money owed to affiliates. If there is no money refunded to VIP players by Jan 1st I think there is close to zero chance there ever will be any compensation at a later date.

There used to be an active thread on the America's Cardroom official forum called "Bug List and Bug Reports". This thread has not had any activity in nearly 3 weeks. None of the major issues such as missing hand histories, disconnect/automuck have been fixed and it does not appear to be a priority for WPN to ever fix.

At this point I think WPN's days are obviously numbered for the following reasons:

-Software has critical bugs (missing hand histories) that make it impossible for high/moderate volume players to verify whether they are being paid the correct amount of rakeback.

-Even for the hands that do generate hand histories, some VIP players are being shorted VIP rakeback.

-Affiliates have not been paid the correct amount of money that has been owed for almost a full 7 months.

-Not a single bot account has been added to the banned accounts page on the ACR website since May, and not a single penny has been refunded to players despite claims from WPN and Phil Nagy that they have indeed banned accounts during this time.

-PLO cash games are overflowing with the presence of the PennyHill/Kigdin/Ropedancer/ect. family of bots and new accounts are constantly being created and retired as has been going on for at least the past 3 years (this was still ongoing during the Nagy interviews and press releases in April and May of 2019).

-Nagy has refused to accept responsibility for these issues and has actually denied that some of them even exist (he claimed last month that WPN had discovered how the bots obtain hole card information and focused their efforts to make it impossible for them to read their cards, and by comparing high volume accounts pre and post GUI changes they could identify potential bot accounts and that this method was very effective for banning bots, all false). There has never been any mention of outstanding VIP rakeback since at least July on Nagy's end.
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12-05-2019 , 05:29 AM
HOG666, if you continue to play on ACR after the new year. You deserve a ban IMO.
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12-05-2019 , 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ankimo
HOG666, if you continue to play on ACR after the new year. You deserve a ban IMO.
Why does he deserve a ban? I agree with everything he said. I'm a regular mtt player on the site and can tell you the vip points are hit or miss. I was told by support chat that they don't hit your account for 24-48 hours after the mtt is completed which I know from years on the site they always came as soon as the mtt was completed. I decided to test this 24-48 hours and played only two mtts and waited 48 hours. My balance never changed. I waited an extra 24 hours after that and still nothing. I'm not sure why some mtts add vip points and some don't but I can assure you that many are missed. Something is wrong with the software. I've emailed support and told them via chat. WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT GOES.
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12-05-2019 , 08:21 AM
Does anyone here still get rakeback? I remember getting 27% in the past (a few years back). I just used a reload bonus (for the $215.01) so I知 guessing that is why I知 getting no rakeback but not sure.

Thanks for any help! I知 not sure if they got rid or changed how rakeback works. I知 guessing since I have a reload bonus now, I知 prolly not
Getting rb due to that.
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12-05-2019 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Does anyone here still get rakeback? I remember getting 27% in the past (a few years back). I just used a reload bonus (for the $215.01) so I知 guessing that is why I知 getting no rakeback but not sure.



Thanks for any help! I知 not sure if they got rid or changed how rakeback works. I知 guessing since I have a reload bonus now, I知 prolly not

Getting rb due to that.


Yes. I still get rakeback.
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12-05-2019 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ankimo
HOG666, if you continue to play on ACR after the new year. You deserve a ban IMO.
No. This poker site is a joke. I was playing a session last night the first good one in a while during a downswing and all my tables froze and then more than half of my tables dissapeared. I'm annoyed by silly stuff like that and there's a ton of software problems like that. I'd be irate if I was owed thousands of dollars like HOG.
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12-05-2019 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Does anyone here still get rakeback? I remember getting 27% in the past (a few years back). I just used a reload bonus (for the $215.01) so I知 guessing that is why I知 getting no rakeback but not sure.

Thanks for any help! I知 not sure if they got rid or changed how rakeback works. I知 guessing since I have a reload bonus now, I知 prolly not
Getting rb due to that.
I was getting rake back at the same time as my deposit bonus. They subtract any bonus you receive from the rake back though, so if you raked $100 and collected $10 in bonus, you only receive $17, or something like that.
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