You picked the #1 and #2 Mac compatible choices with the most SNG/MTT action already. Well done


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Kahn

Just like every answer in poker, "it depends."

There are dozens of different reasons another site may be better for you. Or Bovada might be the absolute best choice for you.

I personally find Bovada to be as safe as they come, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is "the best place to play right now" for your specific situation.

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Kahn

FWIW, I still get the option for CC's (V only). I made a deposit yesterday on a US bank V card.

It is more common for people to have CC deposit access, however, it is not uncommon for a player to NOT have CC deposit access at Bovada or any US facing network for that matter. I run across this all the time. Player x triggers security flag y for reason z and well... "we're not going to offer him CC access"


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Kahn

So just to reiterate, bovada and carbon are the best sites to grind 45 mans?

No such thing exists/has any traffic in the US markets I'm afraid.


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Kahn

Not even for MTTs? Im looking to play MTTs, you would say there are no viable options as aUS player?

You asked about 45mans, not MTTs. If you scroll up just a half dozen posts or so you'll see me answering someone else's questions about where to play MTTs in the US


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Kahn

For Bovada: i know visa credit cards work but would your bank debit/credit card work? I know i have used a card that was strictly credit in the past but would like to use a visa bank card, not sure if ita treated differently?

Many debit cards aren't approved for international transactions by default. At the very least you'd likely need to call your bank and have them approve your card for such transactions to have a shot.


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Kahn

I Use a 5 letter bank debit card. It goes through then I'm immediately hit with multiple fraud notifications prompting my input.

Works though.

Thanks for letting me know about Seals With Clubs. I'm playing there now and doing pretty well. I really appreciate the tip and strongly encourage other players, especially those from Maryland and Washington, to play there.

The games are really soft and there's a decent amount of action to be had considering the low traffic.

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Originally Posted by vorsybl View Post
What do you mean by this? Bovada has insane withdrawal speeds and options, great tournaments, and packed ring games. It's a privilege that they are serving americans imo


KingKongGrinder,
Poker players are really weird in that they habitually accept products and business practices from online sites that are far below an acceptable level. The things they let poker sites get away with I just can't believe they'd accept from other, more traditional businesses in the 'real' world. Vorsybl even went as far as to say it is a 'privilege' having Bovada around. So yes we have to play on what sites are available to us if we are to play online. No other choices for now. But always remember that it's like a disease with a lot of people on these forums, the way they make excuses for crappy businesses, cheap software, and terrible customer support. Don't let your regular standards for a business decay simply because so many others seem to allow it to happen to them.

To Danstorm,
I have no idea how Kahn could possible know that there's "a bunch of guys losing money or barely breaking even to achieve Super Nova Elite" on Stars. But if you want to get excited for what the future would hold for us in the U.S. should we get PokerStars back, then I suggest doing what I did. Redownload their software and just drool as you go thru the lobby and look and all the incredible games they have going. The LHE games and stakes are just sick. Warning, this will likely make you want to cut your wrists for living in the U.S.A., the "most free" country on Earth--LOL.

If you were able to play on PS it would take you exactly 23 minutes and 14 seconds to take all your money off every one of these ridiculous U.S. facing sites and play solely on PS. The fact the ROW players don't come to these U.S. sites should speak volumes to the people who constantly defend these crappy U.S. sites.

Maybe because I'm considerably more involved in this industry than you are... Maybe because I talk to hundreds of players every week... Maybe because I personally know dozens of people who left the country to grind PS and came back/quit... And maybe because I'm quite an accomplished LHE player and am qualified to make an accurate judgement of the game quality.

But hey, maybe those aren't good enough reasons for me to voice my opinion. To each their own, but I stand by my assessment.


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Kahn

Probably by being a regular reader of these forums - it's not like this isn't common knowledge.

Kahn tho you are helpful in these forums, I think sometimes you're a little too helpful. For someone who doesn't get compensated you sure put in a lot of time on the forums "Hundreds" of players a week? My we have an exaggerated sense of accomplishment. Dozens of players, really? You mean to say you know dozens of players good enough to pack up, move out of the U.S., establish residency and bank accounts in a foreign country, and they failed at grinding poker on PS? All those players must have been considerable winners in order to make that move to begin with and yet they failed? It's not as if losers, break even players, or even +1 or 2 BB/100 guys were going to move out of the country just to take a shot at it. Finally, if you're so accomplished at LHE then why don't you move to Canada and show us how it's done on PS?
I've had a few private messages sent to me by regulars on these forums telling me to not mention certain helpful things to others, simply so good information wouldn't be known to everyone. I've been told not to advertise that Bovada is a good place to play so that other 2+2 regs don't go there and make the games tougher. I've had supposedly "helpful" posters tell me not to mention that PokerHost has fast cashout times, otherwise too many people will go there and "ruin" it. The fact is, I don't trust a good deal of "advice" and "opinion" that I read on these forums. And I don't believe there aren't some LHE pro's making a decent living playing that variation on PokerStars.

Hello 2+2 community!

I have been playing in a poker room that doesn't satisfy my needs anymore plus i moved out to the US so i have those legal issues that i have to worry about. Therefor i am looking for a new poker site where i can continue playing. Here are some more details and my requirements that can maybe help you to recommend me a poker room.

- My current place of residence is US (Missouri) so i am looking for a poker room that is legal in the US because i don't want any legal problems with my poker account.
- I am still a European citizen (Serbia). I have fully operational Moneybookers + Moneybookers master card that i can use for deposits/withdrawals. So my poker account will be register with my Serbian home address and the only thing that i am looking regarding this matter is a poker room that will allow me to play from US IP address. I will still be non-US player and none of the deposit/withdrawals will ever have anything to do with the US banks.

My requirements:
- Decent amount of players at every moment. Im not too concerned about the level of skill those players will posses. I will most likely play DON S&G together with some MTT or MT S&G. My playtime are limited so i am expecting to have semi high frequency of above mentioned games.
- Decent rakeback/vip system is always welcome but im aware that i cant expect too much of an extra profit from it if im going to play S&G so its not a big deal.
- Reasonable withdrawal time. By that i mean within a week or less. Alsoonce i pass the ID check i expect no unexpected problems so a good feedback on withdraws is also a big plus.


I hope my requirements are not big and someone can recommend me poker room that will fulfill my needs.

Best regards!

Merge Network (Carbon Poker)

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/201/carbonpoker-aced/

Depositing on a US facing site with Skrill from the USA... recipe for disaster. Don't use Skrill if you value your account there.


Also, look at the sticky thread in this forum, "where can US players play" for much more information

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Kahn

Your best bet is as follows:

Bovada - Fastest payouts, decent pool size.

Winning Poker Network - BlackChip Poker, True Poker, Americas Card Room

Whatever you do, stay the hell away from Lock Poker, unless you like kissing your money goodbye.

Good Luck.

There are no US sites that meet all of your requirements OP.

Like Jim said, Merge comes the closest to meeting them.

I have remote access to my PC in Serbia that i use for accessing my Skrill account. I can use it for deposits/withdraws. Only thing that will be associated with the US IP address will be actual playing. Any money transactions with Skill will be done from Serbia. Does this change anything?

Do what you want but if Skrill finds out I will look forward to your next OP saying my account has been ?????