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11-08-2013 , 06:52 AM
Hi again,

I just wanted to briefly follow up on two things:

1) Yes, future loyalty changes will be announced BEFORE being implemented.

2) There is no discrepancy between us caring about entertainment and wanting to make the $$$$. Maximizing entertainment is simply how we think we best achieve that.

I'll be back next week with more updates.

Thanks,
Paul
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11-08-2013 , 07:03 AM
Crap now i get the yearly 48 hours pending
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11-08-2013 , 08:06 AM
Well, thx for communicating with us, that is a good start. But bottom line remains that you lost 50% of traffic because of poor management, none-communication skills and cancelling all the loyality programs that were benefitting the regs. I guess what we all want to know is (and I will put this in bold) what do you have in mind for future changes to the loyality programs? As in, will it benefit the regs, or steal from us again?. There is a way to get some of the traffic back. Simply give a little back from what you took (right now, you are not competing with the rakeback of any other site).
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11-08-2013 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by gball
They must be soooo tempted to rig the deck in favor of new/losing players. If they thought they could get away with it, they 100% would do it. Maybe they already have.
concur
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11-08-2013 , 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Party_Rep
2) There is no discrepancy between us caring about entertainment and wanting to make the $$$$. Maximizing entertainment is simply how we think we best achieve that.
The problem is that removing bonuses doesn't make games actually more enjoyable it's actually vice versa. Now winning players have to seek more profitable games so there is no regulars playing each others etc. I think most of the "sharks" have now party as their "bumhunt" site where they only play when there is huge fish playing. Also when you have disrespected winning players so long nobody cares anymore about state of your games. So fish sits in, sharks fill the table, fish busts everybody leaves. I actually haven't never seen more hostile network at my life. I wouldn't definitely wanna play there if i was a "recreational player"
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11-08-2013 , 11:14 AM
When bwin.party gets the NewJersey licence and launches this software it will be a disส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้ster to the company.

So i suggest bwin.party uses all it's resources to get this in order. Maybe a few programmers from Sony could help do the job.

Oh and thx for taking over new Party_Rep. Good luck on the job. (again)

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11-08-2013 , 11:36 AM
What are the free ways to withdraw? And why are they free/cheaper? What are the negative aspects for players that want to withdraw that cheaper way?
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11-08-2013 , 11:50 AM
SNG lobby-update bug seems to have been fixed today!



Juk
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11-08-2013 , 11:56 AM
it so strongly feels that segregation is on again
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11-08-2013 , 12:21 PM
Dear Mr Partypoker rep

Three quick fixes to get me and other hsmtt players back on Party.

1) Make tournaments 9handed. It's absurd your tournaments are still 10handed. What is this, 2005?

2) Fix the godawful tiny font in the new client. The client is ok otherwise (still worse than 5 of your strongest competitors, but playable), but the font is so tiny it's impossible to see stack sizes when multitabling. Just make it any normal size

3) Get rid of the cashout fees.
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11-08-2013 , 12:29 PM
My bwin lobby is running lag free, exited I go through all the tabs.
Even the 'social' tabs are quicker.
I hope it stays this way.

Last edited by centebakkie; 11-08-2013 at 12:30 PM. Reason: tell m Chuck glad to see you join our efforts.
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11-08-2013 , 01:31 PM
partypoker on a roll right now
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11-08-2013 , 01:34 PM
[img]http://s15.************/to0wygixz/blinds.jpg[/img]

Interesting new blind structure.
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11-08-2013 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gball
They must be soooo tempted to rig the deck in favor of new/losing players. If they thought they could get away with it, they 100% would do it. Maybe they already have.
I think they did it already, at least, it sure feels like it when playing against whales.

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Hi again,
2) There is no discrepancy between us caring about entertainment and wanting to make the $$$$. Maximizing entertainment is simply how we think we best achieve that.

Thanks,
Paul
Well.. the paladium elite removal, withdraw fee, bonus removal was sure entertaining wasn't it party rep ?

Last edited by Mike Haven; 11-11-2013 at 05:57 PM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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11-08-2013 , 03:51 PM
its definitely segregated again. Friday, peak time i can see only 6 NL400 tables. Same as before segregation removal
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11-08-2013 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fiftififti
Now winning players have to seek more profitable games so there is no regulars playing each others etc. I think most of the "sharks" have now party as their "bumhunt" site where they only play when there is huge fish playing.
Great point imo!

No bonuses, no real grinders. No grinders = bumhunt which is the worst of the worst in a poker environment.

Mission "Saving Poker Environment" = Fail.
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11-08-2013 , 04:21 PM
Would love to play here again if it means the bad Party decisions have driven the regs away.
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11-08-2013 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mishanjka
it so strongly feels that segregation is on again
This would be a dreaded sign for party's communication as it was promised they would notify us before such things happened in the future. People that have access to weak accounts should check though to confirm if it was ever removed.
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11-08-2013 , 05:04 PM
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its definitely segregated again. Friday, peak time i can see only 6 NL400 tables. Same as before segregation removal

I quickly logged in and out of my (winning) Party and Bwin acc's and compared tables, they definitely have changed something. At 3/6 and 5/10 there are almost as many tables showing up on Party as on Bwin but at 2/4 (6max) there was a lot more tables, mostly with one waiting poor reg (rekanize007) seated. I was able to see the 6max 2/4 table Spanish town and 5/10 Norra riksten on Bwin but NOT when snap-changing to Party acc. Also The 2/4 table Spanish town didn't show up on PTR when looking at the seated players ongoing tables. Comments on this Jeff?
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11-08-2013 , 05:45 PM
seems removal of segregation for a 1 week was to make our happy, so everybody would love party again. "Look, we are cool. Protected tables are off. Come and play like before." And i really saw that it was off. Because there were a ton of tables last days..

And now they've made changes again without any notice.
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11-08-2013 , 05:53 PM
It's not segregation IMO. I checked NL400 tables on reg & fish WPT accounts and they're exactly the same. What was mentioned is comparison of bwin to Party, so it's more than likely that bwin has some skin specific tables.
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11-08-2013 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fiftififti
The problem is that removing bonuses doesn't make games actually more enjoyable it's actually vice versa. Now winning players have to seek more profitable games so there is no regulars playing each others etc. I think most of the "sharks" have now party as their "bumhunt" site where they only play when there is huge fish playing. Also when you have disrespected winning players so long nobody cares anymore about state of your games. So fish sits in, sharks fill the table, fish busts everybody leaves. I actually haven't never seen more hostile network at my life. I wouldn't definitely wanna play there if i was a "recreational player"
+1 Well said.
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11-08-2013 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mishanjka
seems removal of segregation for a 1 week was to make our happy, so everybody would love party again. "Look, we are cool. Protected tables are off. Come and play like before." And i really saw that it was off. Because there were a ton of tables last days..

And now they've made changes again without any notice.
This site is not how it used to be. They always had incompetent management, but at least they had the decency to run a fair and trustworthy site.

Ever since the Bwin merger, the management style has abruptly changed. They don't give one chit about players, just $$$ like someone said earlier.

You can tell by all the actions after the merger how much of a scum company Bwin is, and how ******ed Party was to merge with a company with a declining network. Any "synergies" reported were so temporary, and ironically traffic has steadily DECLINED post merger to levels lower than pre-merger.

Where are those "synergies" that you guys reported in shareholder reports? I don't see any, if anything seems the merger has been detrimental to business. Of course no Party executive would ever admit that, just like how they would not admit how segregation was a fail.

Also I would keep a close eye on the segregated pool accounts. For all we know those accounts abusing the system can easily be insider accounts.

I mean monitoring the pool can't possibly be that challenging, there are very few "segregated tables" that run. Yet for almost 1 whole year there were numerous accounts constantly milking it. Most of these "segregated tables" weren't even visible on PTR. Only after PTR "accidentally" posted up some of these hand histories did people realize the absurdity going on.

If it really isn't insider accounts, then why would Party just let these guys destroy these recreational players that are so valuable to their business? Sounds contradictory to me. If it was so important I think they would monitor the tables from time to time, and it would become obvious very soon. But no they never did for over a year.

Really guys... somebody tell me that something is wrong here

Last edited by Mike Haven; 11-11-2013 at 05:58 PM. Reason: 2 posts merged
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11-08-2013 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Letricle
I quickly logged in and out of my (winning) Party and Bwin acc's and compared tables, they definitely have changed something. At 3/6 and 5/10 there are almost as many tables showing up on Party as on Bwin but at 2/4 (6max) there was a lot more tables, mostly with one waiting poor reg (rekanize007) seated. I was able to see the 6max 2/4 table Spanish town and 5/10 Norra riksten on Bwin but NOT when snap-changing to Party acc. Also The 2/4 table Spanish town didn't show up on PTR when looking at the seated players ongoing tables. Comments on this Jeff?
So much for informing us about changes in advance but yeah seems that bwin has now some exclusive tables that Party/WPt/etc. players don't see.
At least we see that they are commited to improve the communication with us
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11-08-2013 , 10:22 PM
party down?
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