what comes instead of the leaderboards?

traffic will die @partypoker

Interesting to see how the pools play without the eastern bots. Sry mean regs but yeah traffic will drop is my guess allso. And this https://www.partypoker.com/en/hot-tables/overview replaces lbs.

damn, don´t know what to think of that. and PLO200 gets nothing or what?

Yeah neither NL or PLO gets anything extra 200+ Seems like they are taking the stars route to cater smaller stakes players. Wouldn't be surprised if they remove the rb from the higher stakes at some point in the future.

Yeh seems a shame.

Those pots are literally gonna be, your gonna have to call off $100 with KQ off suit only to be stacked by 48 off suit.

The ONLY reason I can think they do this, is to get around laws / regulations in countries like Germany / Sweden around not being allowed to do promotions and so on

Hot tables is more rake or how does it impact rake and rakeback?

It only effects you if you cashed those lbs. For majority of the players nothing changes. Rake and the rb system is still the same.

Rob Yong went from lets make small stakes poker great again and stir up the market to nah was just kidding we‘ll do like everybody else.

You mean Rob Young went from let's make ff games the most regbot heavy games in the market to well that was actually a bad idea and only benefited the eastern european bots let's change that.

i'm a brazilian, i'm not a bot, and i used to win everyday all the way from nl2 where i started, and was winning at nl50 on the last few days, so, its not only for bots, and i dont think any of the top players where bots, i was chatting with then and they were playing normally and tilting sometimes just like a human, my nickname was ReiLuizinho, and for me, the party field is close to impossible to beat without those lb's, unless, you play very little tables and make 0$ because you wont have volume, anyway, gl for those who will stay playing there, for me is the hardest online site by far.

Perhaps you should learn to play instead? Like wtf does this even mean : unless, you play very little tables and make 0$ because you wont have volume, You can't make money without any volume? Oc you can. You can do that by learning to play.

And my point is : removing the lbs that only benefits a small part of the pool is a good thing. For avg joe nothing changes you can still play for the rb up to 40% not like stars / gg where the rb is calculated personally and if you cashout once in a blue moon you get nothing back. You might actually start winning allso when most of the 247 regs leaves. There is a reason why stars zoom is imo way softer than pp ff pool. And who knows maybe the recs actually likes the random cash to fight for.

So noone has lag issues here? Every single time i log on party, after a short while, the client closes and i need to open client again and log in everytime again.


Also i seem to almost always have 3 webrenderer processes on task manage which i need to close everytime a bit after i open partypoker client a second time because it uses so much cpu. Do you all have the same issue? I have to task manager and close those webrenderer every single time on task manager.


Also why when you click on my tournaments and want to arrange it from earliest time to latest time or even highest to lowest buyin or what not, few seconds later, it keeps rearranging itself to from the latest tournament to start to earliest? That makes no sense, it should be the other way around from earliest/started tournaments to latest. Also it doesn't even remove the tournaments you already played?


And say after you are done with a tournament and its still going, why does it show finished as oppose to running on the tournament lobby? Does no one else find this annoying?


Also still makes no sense why it doesn't show the blind levels on the table... yet shows what the next blind levels will be? I don't think any site does this... they at least show what the current blind levels are etc.

first of all, you said "only benefited the eastern european bots", i'm proving that you are wrong, i know that most top players were not bots, second, if you think its beatable at a decent bb/100 go there and try and post a graph, i never saw a graph with a decent volume and a decent win rate at party poker ff, just look at the internet or foruns or anything, the thing is, lets say you play nl50, you are going to pay 10bb/100 hands of rake, in a 6 max cash table, there will be 6 people paying 10bb/100 of rake, if there is one fish per table, you will need for the fish to loose 60bb/100 to pay for those 5 regs to be break even, and this doesnt happen very often, if you already played with huds you will know that having a -60bb guy on your table is very unlikelly to happen, so, what happens is that the game is super hard to beat, not because someone is bad, but because there arent enough fish, and there are too much rake, and if i'm going to have to play less tables for less hours to have a better quality of game, why would i stick to a room where there is no fish at all?, for me the only reason to play at party was the rakeback, because this new promo will have 0 impact on having more fishs.

Not sure. I know ppl that love going all in blind. A promotion like this will be perfect for them. Theyll just save their all ins for the "hot" hands or whatever

I can see some people enjoying this promotion. It's worth pointing out the actual value involved can be as little as 1bb. From what I've seen so far, there are 3 categories of bonuses, something like:
Bronze = 1-7bb
Silver = 3-13bb
Gold = 11-50bb
The colour is announced, then the hand plays out to completion and only then do we find out what the exact value is.

It was obvious what he meant. You are just being as ass.
The guy's English is excellent. And he doesn't seem like the type who would mock your Portuguese.

Until it becomes clear how much value this promo actually has, its hard to hold an opinion on it. Seen as they have dropped $1/2 and the micros from being involved im going to suggest so far not looking great.

I saw another categorie Platinium from 50 to 100bb added to the pot

Looks like the full range is 1-500bb, so there must be a 5th category as well:
https://www.partypoker.com/en/hot-tables

You are a rakeback mindset player who first looks at his rakeback when he is losing money. You don't take responsibility for your own playing, you blameshift and externalize the problem to the game organizer for not giving you enough free money.

If you have the mindset that rakeback should be the difference maker on whether you are winning or losing, you're going to have a hard time in today's poker. A long time ago it was possible to make a living as a somewhat bad player who was spamming tons of hands in a million tables, but it had such a negative impact on the games that it was phased out by all the big sites. You already nailed it yourself, the rake has gone up and the player skill level of the average player is much higher. That means just showing up with a tight range and playing leaky aggressive game and expecting a -60BB fish to donate you his stack isn't going to cut it anymore.

I recently came back to poker and FF50 specifically, not having played since summer since my computer died on me. I can say that without playing much, and a long break behind me I haven't had issues at FF50 despite only playing enough to get 25-30% RB. I pop in to play an hour or two every day with 2-3 FF tables and that's it. Although I will go ahead and agree that Party's FF games are much tougher than Stars' Zoom games, there is still plenty of fish in the pool and the regs aren't all that good.

When I look at MyGame's "this year(2021)" it gives me 4.96 BB/100. Although the sample size is still relatively small(7k) as I just got back a few weeks ago, if I choose "last year(2020)" instead, it gives 5.65 BB/100 over almost 80k hands. Unless the games have significantly changed during my hiatus of a few months, I think it's fair to say they are still totally beatable without any rakeback factored in.

I am not going to say rakeback doesn't matter. It helps and I find it very helpful to have extra cash falling on my account every week. But the difference between you and me is that to me it's extra, to you it's essential. And I'm not even a that good player, yet I comfortably beat FF50.

You are approaching the issue from the wrong angle. Instead of trying to win at the games and working on your leaks that you obviously have plenty of, you are closing your eyes to them. You are not playing to win - you are playing to NOT lose, and then you hope your side hustles make you enough coin to give you a positive result at the end of the month.

If at FF50 in 2021 you expect to make money by not being the worst player on the table and having someone even worse than you at the table to share between 5 players, you've got it all wrong. This belief is super outdated. If you want to win money in 2021, it is going to be a good starting point if the 4 other players on the table that you are supposedly sharing the fish with, aren't eating you alive.

Play fewer tables, work on your game and play with intent instead of showing up to the tables with the loser mentality that the games can't be won without 80% rakeback. Take responsibility of your own plays instead of blaming the weather.

You're welcome.

All this was true back on your join date of this forum when rake wasn't so prohibitive and the average level of play was much lower. The sites have such high rake these days that its as good as impossible to have some massive win rate when you are paying 9bb per 100 hands in rake. Do you take your own advice and "Play fewer tables, work on your game and play with intent" while crushing the games with no rakeback?

Why does my registration date matter at all? I hardly played a hand between 2014-2019, and when I came back I got smashed and had to pretty much start from the scratch. My ranges were too tight and predictable, I didn't defend big blind nearly enough, I played medium strength hands too aggressively and I had to redo my whole post-flop game when people didn't fold to my c-bets nearly often enough. I folded to 3-bets way too much. Don't even get me started about bet sizing. My c-bets were too big and there was not enough variety in my bet sizing. I still need to incorporate overbets into my game more frequently, which I'm going to work on when my current focuses are on an adequate level.

I was a 2012 style "TAG" that I would now classify as TAG-Fish, and I see the FF50 games full of similar players - too tight ranges, no creativity and some obvious leaks. I also see plenty of really bad fish that everyone else seems to have declared extinct.

I won't comment whether I am crushing the games or not, time will show. I am at the stage of building a roll, and if I manage to build one for NL200 I am going to decide whether to play seriously with more volume or not. For now I just try to play an hour or two now and then, improve as a player and see where this takes me. The worst case scenario is that I receive a nice side-income of a few hundreds of euros each week from my hobby for as long as I feel like playing.

My game needs a lot more work. But in spite of all this last year I was a consistent winner at FF50, and seem to have retained the same level even after having taken a few months off. On a fundamental level, I'm doing quite well. And since I only play 2-3 tables at the time, I think I'm doing just fine on the "play fewer tables" department as well.

Honestly I rather play a couple of hours daily and average 1000-2000 hands per day and win a buy-in each day plus $60-75 rakeback per week(plus promotions), than spend 8 hours per day losing money spamming so many tables that it stalls my learning, and then rely on leaderboards to raise my head above the water level at the end of the month. Doesn't sound like time well spent to my taste, but to each their own.

I don't deny that the games have gotten tougher and the rake is higher while the rakeback is worse. I'm just saying that *****ing about these things doesn't achieve anything. If you can't beat FF50, it's not because the rake is too high and the tables are filled with pros. And how do you think you would manage in lower (effective) rake games at FF100 and FF200 if you can't even beat the FF50 guys?

I'm just trying to give you a reality check. You just suck at the game and the more energy you spend on blaming the insane skill level of FF50 players and the unbeatable rake, the less you are going to address the flaws in your game. If you did that instead of spamming 8 FF50 tables and generating as much rake as possible(which you claim to be the killing blow), you would quickly realize that the regs aren't all that good, and that there is plenty of money to still be made.

I am a living proof that even an oldschool TAG-Fish can comfortably beat FF50 in 2020s with a little bit of work, even with irregular schedule and only a few hours spent now and then.

Actually hot tables is not that bad

Perhaps if you are unable to play lots of volume jut dont be jealous on others that can play lots of volume and are way more mentally stronger than you and that can win more money even if you have a positive winrate?
The audacity some people have is just ridiculous... If you say most of the people dont care about leaderboards why even bother hating?
Let the people who actually put in the hours playing win the leaderboards...

yeah man a whole year profit 2-3k
crushing...
Im sorry you dont understand math and what insane rakeback there was in 2020 and how it was way more profitable going for the rakeback than having a winrate with small volume
I was literally the biggest winner at NL50FF in 2020 because of rakeback...literally