I said i agreed that some warning would of been good. You are acting as if they have stopped awarding points completely...

so you are saying you lost 10% of your rakeback

lets say the games stay exactly the same

would you still support the new method?

Yes ofc i would. The new system is not just fairer, it actually makes sense, and WILL piss of the short stacks and nits. I can take a 10% hit for a system that should of been in place from the start.

I am not selfish. I also like to see poker environments run in a logical, and cognitive manner.

difficult to argue with you when you dont even read what ppl write to you

or maybe you dont understand what I (we) mean

What are you trying to say? You asked if i support the new method even at a loss. I do.

My motivation is completely different. I don't play at Party anymore and won't again unless I feel like bumhunting the biggest whales.
I got hit by the change and lost decent amount but nothing close to big grinders going for 100k+ points bonuses.
The point is that the rules where there which attracted players. They were constructed in such a way that people don't have easy way out without huge losses. When they trapped a lot of people (who would never played at their site in the first place if they knew about possible change like that) they run with the money.

Of course you are like: "I lost 10%, but most regulars lost more"
**** YEAH !

All your arguments about nits and shortstackers would hold with increasing the rake cap to 5$. That you would probably also support because that's only fair that big 5/10 guys pay 5$ while small 100NL guys pay 3$. In fact 5/10 guys should pay 30$ to make it fair. Those would be rules made in logical and cognitive manner...

you got half of it

what i said was that according to what i have read from 2+2 the games on ipoker and FTP did not change after they changed from dealt to contributed.

so IF

a) you are losing 10% of your rb and

b) the games stay exactly the same

would you still support the rake change?

The games won't be the same. The PLO shortstackers wont be getting top 10 for a start. They might still be there but they won't be succeeding. So immediately you can say the games won't be 'the same'.

Now I!! Me!! will get top 10!

so you like the change because it benefits you and ****s over everyone else, and then attempt to mask this by claiming it's for the best and should have been like this from the start...nice

wtf guys, just sit back in they wont change it back

The move to WC is STILL -ev for me even tho i'll do better in the races so can you please argue a point rather than berate my apparent 'selfishness' which isn't selfishness at all but i can see why you would think that.

Punter - I agree with what you say about rake's overall efficiency but that is not something to be debated here. It is an issue at Party but only inherently. It is an issue across the board.

+1

Partypoker rips its palyers off, but gets riped by Chuck Norris

Its cute he thinks weighted contributed will reduce the number of rat holers there are. I realize some people think they know everything, but it'd be nice if people actually tried to learn from history. FTP and iPoker have both shown very clearly that weighted contributed doesn't positively change the game quality at all. On FTP the game quality actually deteriorated after the change; I didn't play on iPoker prior to their change to weighted contributed yet they now have some of the nittiest games on the net - I doubt its an improvement over what the games were like prior to the change to weighted contributed.

Rat holers are an interesting case since weighted contributed actually benefits them in some ways - it allows them widen their calling and jamming ranges since they will receive 50% rakeback on the pot as opposed to the previous 16%. So what may have been a slightly -EV call or shove now becomes +EV. And the annoying thing is they won't have to do a lick of work to adapt, some site will do the math, update their charts and now we have even more annoying robo-rat holers. Yay weighted contributed.

is there some kind of protest going on?

Yeah, the very poorly advertised: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...ystem-1095897/

I like this move, great news.

For what it's worth, I think some cheaper multi table SNG's are in order, maybe some 50 cent and $1 entry 50 player SNG's and a 30 player $1.

Additionally, I think you guys should remove the 'multi-table' & '1 table' sections from the lobby altogether and have it so that multi table and single table SNG's can be filtered from the same section - this way they are going to get seen by a lot more people - I've always had the feeling that nobody knows they are there. Additionally, a player who plays 1 table SNG's can jump in one if he see's that it's nearly full without having to fiddle with the lobby.

Oh, and LOL Donkaments obv.

The rake changes to those tiny SNGs is a start, but the rake on them is still ABSURDLY high.

I have not played at Party for several years. Loaded it today to give it a try again.

The Lobby is about a quarter of the size of my desktop and I would like it larger (maximized).


Is there a way to do this?

double click top of client, theres 2 size options, other than that, no, afaik. no fullscreen for example

Hey thanks. Where at the top?

I can only see approx. 10 tables displayed at one time in lobby unlike Stars etc. where several tables are displayed.
Is this standard?

anywhere along top edge, green bar... where it says good luck.... 10 tables is small version, double click it then u get ~20

or click the maximize button which is between the minimize and close buttons like on any other program in windows

I'm just about to lose my Palladium status for the first time in 2 yrs. Have not been playing much this quarter but i have a fair few points (70k). Just want to confirm that if i regain my status in the next quarter i will still be able to convert all of them at the Palladium rate? If someone could let me know i would appreciate it.

yup you will be able to request those points for palladium elite bonus