Hi, All.

Information: PartyPoker has changed rake system in cash games from Dealt to Weighted Contributed at 25 August 2011. This will result in slower PartyPoints earning rate about 30%! Now it is much harder to clear a bonus, to reach any status and almost impossible to obtain Palladium Elite status.

Regular players from Russia will planning new action against PartyPoker new Rake system.
From September 15, at 00:00 EDT (UTC-4) we planning any tables sitout. We planning write to PartyPoker about decrease speed of earning party points (about 30% decrease) and about return old rake system.

WE want return DEALT rake system!!!!

UPDATE: At September 14, we planning write many letters to PartyPoker support. Our requirement - return DEALT Rake system. Please, write letters to support with this requirement at September 14 (info@partypoker.com).

Please, support us at September 15.
Please, inform everybody about it.

Sincerely yours,
Russian Poker community.
Crossposted to other poker forums.

LETTER TEXT BELOW
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To PartyPoker management

From poker player from all around the world
From the regular players on PartyPoker with the highest statuses (Palladium Elite, Palladium or Gold)

Good day!

We want to inform you about some aspects and clarify the situation associated with introduction of the new rake distribution system on PartyPoker.

First of all, we would like to pay your attention to the fact that we have got to know about this innovation only after these changes went into effect. In other words, you haven't considered it necessary to inform high status players about switching to a new rake distribution system. Such system was introduced at the moment when many players were during the process of earning PartyPoints for statuses and/or bonuses, planning and forecasting in advance when and how they will be able to do it. By introducing this new system in the middle of a quarter you have crushed all their plans for the game because with the new system players began to gain far less points for the same period of time rather than with the old system. We are sure that information about such global changes must be published beforehand.

Based on the foregoing, let us ask a few questions:
1. Why PartyPoker hasn't informed players about the new point accrual system in advance?
2. Why the new system was introduced in the middle of the quarter? During the period when for an one and a half month we were playing in accordance with the conditions of the one status system and you change it to the another.

Today many regular players have already gone to play to other poker rooms. Also, many players are about to leave as soon as possible due to introduction of the new point accrual system. They have been unable to leave immediately only because they are linked to various bonuses and status at the moment.

The worst conditions for the playing at PartyPoker at this moment were created. You don't leave us an opportunity to continue playing in your room. We will be forced to switch to "another" poker room.

Due to the foregoing, on behalf of the regular players for continuing our further cooperation, we demand to cancel new point accrual system. And return Dealt system back.

Maybe you will have some other ideas to restore favorable conditions in your poker room.

At this moment you have lost trust. We don't know what you are going to change tomorrow and what might happen with our funds on the accounts. You have proved as an unreliable partner, which can change the conditions of the playing at any time. In this case, and due to an immediate leaving of considerable number of players, we have reasons to reconsider popularity of your poker room among the players and in general about of your future existence.

You position yourself as "leading entertainment company in digital format, that meets the requirements of the market and offers its customers a secure, interesting and exciting games for real money". With such attitude as now your image in the interactive gaming market will be significantly reduced.

To make you somehow pay attention to this case and make it clear that this is important for many players of middle and high limits at 15th of September, we will stop to play at every possible limit, but we will be surely with you, namely, we will sit in "Sit-OUT" on every possible table.

Also, we inform you that this letter will be sent into dispute settlement service eCOGRA and the Gambling Commission in Gibraltar.

Quote from your own site: "We understand that you value your time, want to have fun, and free from hassles or problems."

We are waiting for your response which would help us to make conclusions about PartyPoker future.

We look forward to understanding and continuation of long-term cooperation.

Our requirement - return DEALT Rake system.

Yours sincerely
From poker player from all around the world
From the regular players on PartyPoker with the highest statuses (Palladium Elite, Palladium or Gold)

the letter should read:

go back to dealt rake or we ****ing quit for pokerstars, costing you all your high volume grinders.

Crossposted to other poker forums.

PS ru - PartyPoker С 15 Сентября в 0:00 EDT/8:00 MSK бойкот новой системе
PS de - Party Poker September 15 0:00EDT BOYCOTT New Rake System.
PS - en Party Poker September 15 0:00 EDT BOYCOTT New Rake System.
PS - es Party Poker September 15 0:00 EDT BOYCOTT New Rake System.
CGM (ru) - PartyPoker С 15 Сентября в 0:00 EDT/8:00 MSK бойкот новой системе
2+2 (de) - PartyPoker September 15, 00:00 EDT BOYCOTT New Rake System

Please send letter text above to PartyPoker - info@partypoker.com

I think it would make more sense asking for improvements to the VIP program itself rather than to go back to the old rake system.

Well it doesn't. Weighted contributed only impacts ring game players, but everybody uses the same VIP program.

How do you possibly calculate it at 30% decrease? Won't some players earn points faster?

To come up with a precise rate of loss of the points like that I'm kind of suspecting a group of players who all play similarly...like shortstackers following the same kind of chart maybe?

gl guys, ask them to sort their ****ing busted software while they're at it

Probably just one dude with several accounts and a chart, rofl.

gl w this. this is one thing the French do really well; emulate them.

dealt rake rewards nits. dont u WANT contributed rake?

No you dont, no winning player gains from contributed

Which is exactly why they did it. Note that the people that brought you Ongame's Essence are now merged with Party. I was surprised this didn't happen sooner.

Weighted contributed is very counter intuitive. It makes sense that a regular playing much looser than average would benefit from it, right? If the table average is 20VPIP and you're playing 25 VPIP surely you'd benefit? Well you don't. Much looser than average winning players lose from 10-25%. Your nittier players lose upwards of 50%. 30% seems a fair and reasonable average.

This is the problem with weighted contributed. So many people think it is a fair system. They play looser than average, they'll be rewarded right? Then a week later those same people are talking about how they've lost 30% of their rakeback. Its not a fair system. Its simply a method for the sites to rake more money from winning players while giving nothing back to weaker players. Do you think the fish are actually going to manage the $10,000 rake required to get anything resembling reasonable rakeback on Party?

Weighted Conrtibuted Rake system gives more rakeback/VIP points to people who play a bit loser than the nits/Tags which generates action. Nits would sit sit all day on tables and continue to fold till their last breath, it kills the games.

Ask them to change VIP system, that is more reasonable.

Why do people still play on that sorry site... ****ty annoying rakeback system and ******ed promotions.

Then when they have a great chance to gain ton of customers from the FTP closure, they do everything in their power to piss off customers by trying to blatantly jack up the rake, and also underhandedly further increase the rake by switching to contributed.

Now they have less customers than before FTP closed.
The entire bunch of muppets that run that place should be fired and then promptly gassed.

every1 come to pokerstars, screw party! easy solution

FWIW, I earn less from Weighted Contributed than I do if I were to get credit for the actual rake paid from pots I win. Significantly less.

It's a really ****ed up system meant to screw over winning players.

Stars/iPoker going to see an uptick in business.

Everybody lost rakeback.

Dealt system: Rake Holdem manager 500$ Party Points 1320
New System: Rake Holdem manager 500$ Party Points 950

Party Poker decide decrease rakeback!!!
ABout 30% decrease speed of earning PartyPoints. It's not emotion, it's mathematical count. It's really!!!

People already are. Party is now about to fall lower in players than they were before Full Tilt went down and gifted them with a ~50% increase in traffic! And the large drop in Party's traffic on pokerscout corresponds well with an uptick in Stars' as well as iPoker's.

The point of the boycott is just to try to bring some attention to the issue. A prominent trend in Party's financial reports is that their management is extremely fond of trying to direct blame for their site's failures in every possible direction besides their own. If everybody simply left for Stars I have no doubt that Party management would simply blame it on Stars' edge in liquidity/players and move on. They need to know that its their own poor decisions that are driving everybody away from the site. While a letter writing campaign could do as much, a boycott is I think much more symbolically relevant since it shows players are willing to stop playing over this and there are no major language issues to overcome.

Weighted Contributed is good.

When people will start to realize that poker rooms don't give a s@#$ about what we think about price. They just want to rake all new deposits, and if it is not you, surely will be another one to do it, as long as there will be promotions like "rake to us $4000" and we will give you "free" $400... And people playing on party have even less authority to say anything about it, since party is a long time rake raper.

So why couldn't they change the earn rate for ring game points?

The problem I see with this boycott strategy is that you don't have the same universal agreement as you did when they announced massive rake increases - many players favour a contributed system, and many networks have changed to one over the last couple of years.

So I guess you didn't hear about the successful boycott on Party a little while back that got them to cancel a rake increase? Of course they care what everyone thinks about price; every site does. Just not as much as everyone would like.

This is the bottom line basically. If the site changes to a system that you disagree with then simply change sites. Send them an e-mail to tell them you will be doing so and tell them why. Don't be overly rude about it or anything. And certainly don't drag it out. Get to the point, don't get into a big fight about it. Withdraw and move on.


"I am a choosy online poker customer who is always looking for the best value. I have been a loyal player on Party for several years. I disagree with your site's new VIP system which awards points via a contributed system.

I will be withdrawing all of my funds and switching to PokerStars and will be encouraging others I know to do same. Party's old MGR system which Stars still does gives greater rewards to the player-base as a whole. I wish I could stay on Party but the change in the VIP system is too drastic. I look forward to returning to your site if Party reverts to the more favorable VIP system."

I am Palladium Elite on Party and I welcomed the change to contributed rake.