It's mind-blowing really, almost as if Party had a meeting and tried to find a way to give cheats a better edge.

Mind you, if Party changed their mind quickly it would be quite funny to think of those cheats spending their money on obsolete software.

Well that doesn't give much players that lost a lot being cheated. For example first 2 weeks after the changes I was absolutely crushing the games would have great tables and overall all regs were playing super nitty/face up. It wasn't uncommon to seat on nl200 with 2 fish and 3 regs that were just enjoying the fish and just playing super standard. It got worse and worse after that. I was more or less b/e last month or so with bunch of regs clearly exploiting me.

I knew for a while about this converter didn't use it but the Idiot that create it he is selling a lot converters for other sites. Instead of creating a new tool he incorporated it to his main tool. Knowing Party they will just ban eveyone who uses it.


In his Poker Planer change log file he has non public feature but as he is a lazy **** at some point he forgot and if you scroll the chanelog.txt to Version 1.40-Built 810 you will have:
"- partypoker output format - now its writing "Total number of players : 3/6", before it was just writing the max players info"


BTW the non public feaure started around built 805 right after they made changes.....
I used to use it for other network (Tiger gaming/Chico) because he was the only one that didn't convert hands to pokerstars standard hence you could use NoteCaddy on Chico. But I didn't use it for Party (he doesn't even sell it publicily I believe). Now they will just probably everyone who has his tool without really looking whether someone has his converter or not.....



This just shows how big of a joke their security team is. You make changes and you police them so poorly you don't even check the most obvious suspsects (the guys that have been offering poker converters for years). So if you are to lazy/incompetent to check the most obvious suspects how are you supposed to check the stable/staking teams some indvidual guys/programers affiliates?? It is clearly not a quantum physics to make converter for anon hh.

I am just tired I just gave up 180$ or something in equity in points and quit your site. There is no point given that you think it is ok to cheat us.

You basically invite every scummy reg to your site and push away every legit one

Planner is 100euro a month for the party converter. It's annoying because the first 2 weeks, it was exactly as it was on bovada before. Anon works if you have a way to ensure that the level of cheating is really low. Bovada only has a few good bots because it's really hard to stay ahead of their security team, they love to confiscate and keep money.

im certain its a simple screen scraper for the hh converter, it would take 2mins per day for the programming team to change a few things in the code to break the converters every day.. but nope let's give the advantage to the cheaters and fulltime regs that want to spend 100e a month

Of course it isn't difficult. It is mindboggling they didn't even police/check the most obvious suspects. Same for people if someone didn't play for the first 2 weeks after changes normal tables and suddenly starts and crush you should be aware that something is not ok.
I mean at the beggining I was like **** it if just some people use it it is ok It should be still fine but this month it started to be balantly obvious that most legit regs quit and I am getting exploited by bunch of scummers while playing normal tables.

You punished every legit,honest reg on your site and invited every scummer/botter etc to your site. The ******edness of your actions is mindboggling.

Regarding HH converters, completely agree with all of you. Unless they make games completely anonymous, there is nothing they can do to prevent HH converters and with them, HUDs working like before.

All they've created is a market for yet another 3rd Party tool. I haven't heard anyone getting banned (or even warned) for using one yet so I'm guessing they can't even detect if a player is using one. Though I'm guessing they are following the same set of rules as before and won't ban anyone using such a software because they can't be sure about catching everyone so they rely on methods that they can enforce from client side (like table scanners and seating scripts are useless at the moment), which is a fine approach imo.

I feel the approach against HUD prevention is just plain wrong and I'd pick a different fight. I'm guessing they won't make all games anonymous as it would make them lose too many customers.

As many of you have stated, right now the situation is that honest players don't have access to HUDs while people, who choose to use software against the t&c that Party can't detect, have a huge edge.

And we shouldn't have to be in situation where it takes weeks or months for Party to come up with an update that prevents something working only to find out that it took couple of days for the programmers to get around the changes. I hope Party would see this trial of anonymising HHs not working and revert the changes. I think we had a good balance in the games with no seating scripts / table scanners and no possibility to data mine or buy mined hands. Preventing HUDs is an impossible task.

People made some noise about this when the changes became live but it has understandably quieted down afterwards. I'm hoping everyone would take a few mins to email Party, PM Colette, live chat or just post here in this thread to voice their opinion, once again.

Well Anonymous tables would be terrible given they don't have strong enforcment against bots and rely on players mostly to report them or so it seems. Even Pokerstars are strugling and they are the top of the industry.

I mean do they even have a security team other than fraud/cc scam preventing? Because for me it doesn't seem so.
To uncover this converter the only thing you had to do it download his very popular tool and just check. Poker planer is the most popular hand history converter (or close one with kingshands being the other popular choice).
How can you not even check the super most obvious tool where the guy is even to lazy/not scared about consequences so he incorporate it to his main program which is avaliable everywhere.

Anonymous tables will be just bots heaven (look at microgaming and what is happening there).

I mean there are other ways. Confiscate funds if you caught someone using converter. Make it challenge fund a price like 5k $ for someone to create an undetectable converter. That way they would learn how to block 99% of the tools . Companies do it all the time (funding prices for hackers to find holes in their software so they would be able to do something about it).

Also what botsonparty mentioned. Make the flop card position slightly random every day and don't write dealer/hand history message in chat. Yeah people will get annoyed for not being able to use mods etc. but it will work. You can make like different version of sotware for regs and force them to use it. I mean we all want to be protected from bots /scammers so few would mind it . I mean I can live with little bit annoyance as long as it protect me from people gaming the system and protect players from being cheated (and I am not fan of HUDs in fact I am all for it to be banned/prevented from use).

Here they just seat and do nothing and push legit players away from their site while encouraging all sort of shaddy behaviour. They just made changes that they clearly didn't think thru. They don't have single poker player there I guess who would explain them how bad the changes are .Bad for everyone but scammers.

Completely forgot to include the points about bots. As it seems most bots only disappeared after player reports, it would mean bots will play even longer now before getting caught, if they get caught.

All in all, seems these changes, that were made to create more fair playing environment, actually accomplished the exact opposite.

Agree 100% with this. I've got another load of suspected bots but the hand histories changed to anon before I had a large enough sample on them to be absolutely certain about them. I've left the site now and moved to Stars but I know if I logged into Party right now they will still all be there.

I've said it before in this thread and I'll say it again now - I seriously doubt that the Party aim was to create a fairer playing environment. It is barely credible that anyone who runs a site could make these changes honestly believing that they would achieve that objective.

Another possibility is that they knew that some players would leave, but more bots / cheats would join (typically from countries where the dollar is strong so they can accept low win rates) - and bot detection would be low so rec players really wouldn't suspect much. This may generate more rake, in the short term anyway, and they may see this as a success if it does.

Yeah i ahve this polish reg, i tagged him as a semi reg fish a few weeks ago and now as time goes by he is starting to be just as annoying as every previously banned bot.. either a good AI or someone that can't play without notecaddy that finally bought the converter.

And here i am 16 tabling with no ***** hud, getting cheated by 100% of the regular pool when party could kill BOTS AND CHEATERS with a simple 5-6 line of code switch per day.

tbf the microgaming annon tables are somewhat fine when you consider their regular tables that are actually bot filled. The annon still have tons of fishes and you can get good winrates, just like the second week with party's annon tables, bots were back but lots of regs still refused to play so the games were really good. Tons of regs avoid the annon tables on micro which makes them still pretty good.

I'd much prefer having bots and no regs than the current situation. All they need is to change a few pixels here and there on the names, add a symbol and update the client every 3 days to make the converter programmers give up. It's only aesthetics so it's not much work.

Anyone having connection issues right now?
My internet is fine-only party poker
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down?

Yeah, the website can't even be reached.

it's funny how you can play for years on other sites without a single disconnect , but in party it's just a routine ...

And then they always blame some intermediate server. Because apparently when you play on websites that don't disconnect there's a wire connecting your computer directly to the site's server.

disconnected and cant login, just like what happened a month ago...getting blinded away in tourneys. happening to many other players too.

I'm going to need to get refunded for my tournaments.

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looks like its down for everyone . Thank God I didn't register for those MTTs

Are the tournaments paused? Will you refund according to your cancellation policy? Or am I getting blinded away?

Anyone else notice how the client goes all buggy during a disconnect? Also server status says good, so just all our fault and not partys :/

I expect you refund my session. Lost tons of sngs and mtt.

I will need a refund... playing tournaments is not fun over here

Refund requests can be directed to the customer service team once the issue is fully resolved

I will provide an update regarding status when possible