They just honestly don't care IMO. I was talking to chat about it yesterday basically saying how messed up it was and that we have no incentive to play there anymore and they responded by saying "the choice to play is yours". So to me that means we don't care if you play here or not.

I don't understand why they have happy hour and games of the months when the points are worthless (I know tourneys).

They are doing a Vegas give away though. I think you have to spend $10 in the casino to get into the tournament. Well played carbon that $10 turned into $100.

As much as I don't like it I still feel it's one of the better options at the moment as far as software and game selection.

What's good for depositing? My Carbon OPS starts tomorrow, so I need to make a deposit tonight... Netspend work?

My Visa debit worked fine

You can do Western Union online and they refund the fees over I think a $300 deposit.

Or this, but not all work.

from the 10,000 freeroll/Vegas promotion:

what are Casino Bonus dollars?

Dollars that can only be used in the casino (excluding roulette and baccarat) and have to be rolled over 35x before they can be withdrawn or used for anything else.

AKA-Yawn

I tried depositing again today and my transaction went through. It's hit or miss tho.

gross

I can't think of any amount or conditions that would ever entice me to the casino.

^ Ditto.

When will PLO and MTTs be added to the mobile app?

lets see if a wealthy european drops 50k on a bet thats 10/11 does bovada pocket 50k? the game still has to be played and they have to win the coinflip, and if he wins theyre out like 47k. if he takes 50k to poker tables they rake some nice ass $$ of him, zero risk is also kind of a nice feeling. also remember being rich doesnt mean being stupid or a bad poker player.

for this discussion "sports bettor" implies it's a losing poker player. if that wasn't the case then they would be a "winning player" and not a "sports bettor".

the quote is mostly wrong. for nearly every sports bettor the book eventually gets all the $$$. like 99% of them. every bet a square makes is +EV for the book; the short-term result is irrelevant because when a square wins they just make more bets and each bet placed makes money for the book. that's the important part. every time a square places a bet the book makes money, regardless of the outcome.

of course the site risks the guaranteed revenue a sports bettor provides when they play poker: they lose their money and the winning player cashes it out. that money is gone from the site, will never be back, and therefore it will not be wagered in +EV situations (sports bets) for the house.

*where are you getting your numbers? i have like $100,000,000,000 but no way to back it up.

not to mention that a guy who likes sportsbetting may also be a great poker player, i know hard to imagine but theyre out there.

**the second bolded part: guaranteed revenue = rake. a guy wagering is not guaranteed any way you spin it.

you know that part in the movie casino where a rich asian comes in and rapes them for a few mill then leaves. this does happen and merge cant tell him oh your planes busto gonna have to come back and stay with us.

I used to work for a casino and have studied casino "gaming." Every single game, and every single bet in a casino, even an online one is +EV for the house. ih8ustfu, I am not saying someone can't hit and run, get lucky and win once or twice and never play again. But all casino bets in the long run, which is what casino's are interested in, will guarantee money goes to the casino.

Also, casino games aren't nearly the "coin flip" many people think they are. Sure if you're intelligent, disciplined, ego-free, and simply playing like a computer would then yes, many bets are close to a coin flip. Having worked in a casino I can tell you that players constantly piss away percentage points to the house through various disadvantages: Players can get drunk, go on tilt, chase their "hunch," play too tired, play hungry, play emotionally, play too long, play games that they don't know the basic strategy for, try to impress a girl with dumb bets, have poor bet sizing/bankroll management, won't make the right move (such as a double down) b/c they're playing with scared money.

All these things add up to give more and more of an edge to the house. None of those things can be done by a dealer or a machine who can only perform the predetermined actions. Human weakness and error make casinos billions. They're in it for the marathon, whereas most of their players think its a sprint or something not much longer.

Is nobody bitching yet about Merge gutting their VIP system? Does anyone know why it happened or if they will return it. Taking away VIP to cash essentially means that the tiers don't even matter any more right? Wasn't the only difference in that you could exchange VIP for more cash 4x a month? Now you can't even buy into reg SnG's it's got to be MTT's? Ridiculous

Guess you haven't read numerous previous posts? Just askin...

Refer to the last probably 8 pages.

There isn't tiers anymore, so you're right that they don't matter. What happened was Merge is greedy and wants to give less and less incentive for rakeback grinders to play here. Very doubtful that a VIP program like they had will return or else they wouldn't have scrapped it in the first place. Merge and every other poker network is moving away from the online poker promotions of the past and making it harder to profit from their site by grinding 20 tables and breaking even only to make profit from VIP.

I'm with you that it's ridiculous you can't buy into SNGs or every MTT.

GL today for those playing the OPS events. Looking forward to event #2 and #7.

Quick question.....the popup that notifiys you of a cash pops up but there is no text or anything on it. How can I fix that?

AwesoneGrinder playing ops #8

You as well!

I have the same problem and can't figure out how to fix it. Any cash or bounty is just a blank white box. Very annoying.

I have a question for everyone crying about the VIP system guttations.

Do you play poker to:

A) rape a rewards system and just take what the site will give you?

or

B) for the competition, to make money, to enjoy yourself, etc

If it is A, you are doing it for the wrong reason.

I'm sure 95%+ of us here played on stars and FTP, and i'd be willing to bet that the reason that we played on those sites moreso than others wasn't because of the VIP systems, it was because the games were better.

C) for the competition, to make money, to enjoy yourself, and to also be compensated at least a little bit for the thousands of dollars of rake many of us pay each month/year.

i realize i'm commenting on this change far too late, but 4 table max is the worst...today with OPS there are actually 7-8 worth playing! what a waste for merge, those who play the full ops schedule would probably re enter all if they were to bust out.

If you were in it to make money, aka the correct reason in your view, would it not be in your best interest to ask the sites to monetarily reward frequent play? whether it be in rakeback, tourney tickets or w/e? not sure where you are going with this. also using the verb "rape" is harsh, most sites (and businesses) reward their frequent users in order to encourage more business, which is beneficial to both company and consumer. even circle K knows to offer a buy 6 coffees get 1 free.