why would you want an invite? there's nothing to play.

The is no new information regarding segregation of any kind.

There is no target date for "resolution" because the factors that are influencing things are not something Intertops can control outright... thus, you will not see them in here promising you some illusory date that everything will become hunky dory (aka Lock style BS doesn't happen here).


That isn't true at all. There are plenty of games here for many player types. There were no less than 8 100-200 NL cash games going less than an hour ago when I checked for someone at those stakes. There are plenty of guys grinding SNGs and DONs that are quite content. There is still enough SS PLO action for more casual players.

Are the mass tablers and high stakes guys pushed to the margins... yes, I agree with that. However, that is NOT the majority of the player base. Saying there are no games is an uninformed opinion.


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Kahn

I haven't seen more than 4 run at these stakes for the past couple hours...fair play is done away with correct?

Theres 8 running right now between 100 - 200nl fr and 6 max

Edit: with that being said I think sng traffic is not so great. HU is almost non existent except at micros and from what I just checked it seems to be the same for most sngs.

Fair Play is gone. It's all various rooms that pay segregating themselves from rooms that do not pay *cough* Lock *cough*


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Kahn

HU Hypers are pretty weak. I can get "decent" traffic at the 15s, but I can't get any action at the 30s. This is the same thing with DoN SNGs.

Segregation... Blah!

+1, especially
Was this maintenance on the network end or intertops end?

Kahntrutahn, as helpful as some of your answers are, would you mind to stop answering when you are were not asked? Especially when you ignore the most important questions?
They were also asked towards Intertops directly, not you, as I understood it.

I am getting tired of your hogwash/distraction tactics when you are not asked nor in the full know, so in case things should later come to light (I am not saying they will, just theoretically) you would be able to say that you were not working for the company directly, how should you have known, you only tried to 'help' (the players or promoting an US facing gambling company 'under the radar' as an affiliate?).

More direct Rep input might stop some other rumors to spread like wildfire like moving back to Microgaming (there was a good reason they left it for Cake) or going to Merge (very unlikely for a multitude of reasons, some public posted here, some not) or even more strange ideas like Ipoker.

Another rumor would be the lack of some serious security skills, as a supposedly $45K dumper named jackpot1mil is allowed to play on..see this unanswered post (LINK) and that original post to which it refers (LINK), but I guess, closing chip dumping accounts with such volume was regarded back then as a bad idea by someone....or it was somehow bad timing...or Lock or the network security is to blame for this and clarification to this and the point raised by bemcd is coming.

As the discussion stopped after the two posts linked above, at least I would also like to know why a $45K multiple-dumper can play on and who takes responsibility for letting this account keep on playing, not to mention I find it strange that after a week a $45K dump should have been forgotten (are there so many >$40K dumpers weekly?), also to pose the responsibility on the player to ask the network or urge them to close him down instead of ensuring a fair environment for their customers is just silly ("I bet this person is not on Intertops and then you will have to ask the network or the other site why this person is not banned.").

This raises some security questions, skin-wise and/or network-wide and also interesting to know would be if the 'Sunday-no-availabilties' in a row was caused by Intertops or the network. Or is it possible that all segregation madness came from lack of client/network security? Such questions, asked in public or just by the player to himself, left unanswered, are the seed of rumors.

Therefore more answers by Rep instead of Kahn in general would be appreciated.

Unless someone puts in extra hours though, I would not expect any answer from the real Intertops Rep before Monday though as tomorrow there is a public holiday to my knowledge where he is currently located.

Personally I believe unless Revolution traffic gets even lower, which seems most likely, there are no real, positive (US facing) alternatives and as changing networks is a complicated thing especially in technical terms and concentrated manpower, the outlook of this operation itself would financially most likely not be worth it, compared to the risks involved.

+1 to HU SNG traffic.

The turbos don't fill. If you exclude opiumplease and mrtalentedsc then I'm waiting easily an hour or more for a game @ $80-$110s.

Waiting for action @ 300s and 500s on Intertops

Sad part is your waiting for Hypers

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Just so you no i am "jackpot1mil" i do not appreciate comments like this either. if you read back through the comments off your links. i lost $19k to a player whos account was blocked as they thought it was a chip dump. this was not the case and a week later the player was aloud to cash out all his money. So as like you say to other uses please keep your comments to yourself untill you actually no the truth. thank you.

[QUOTE=jackpot_1mil;39757595][QUOTE=jackpot_1mil;39757587] Well, while I most certainly feel for that and can completely understand the frustration and sometimes annoyances of reading another person's posts on a forum...I would suggest you call them directly yourself if its to all encompassing for you; after all, this is a FORUM. Almost by definition its supposed to garner others' input. If one truly does only have a desire for an Itops rep's answers, it seems self explanatory to just pick up the dog garn phone...why even post?

I agree, but if you'll notice this is an official support thread, so yes, i was both posing the question to the public and to the intertops rep, who came out with a statement a few pages back.

My post was basically follow-up questions to that post. Which I feel like deserve to be answered publicly. I'm fine with anyone else chimming in with answers or ideas, etc.. But yes, I do want those questions answered officially.
Another question---> Did Intertops pull out of all the 1K GTDs and over in response to the network lowering the limits on the biggest tourneys? (ie 100k-->60k) That is basically how LOCK described it

[QUOTE=jamthe3;39758416][QUOTE=jackpot_1mil;39757595] you mean other peoples bull****! as i said keep your bollocks to yourself.... also already picked up phone. players like you just get on the band wagon that you no **** all about!

[QUOTE=jackpot_1mil;39762452][QUOTE=jamthe3;39758416] lol, a close look in the mirror might be appropriate also

Intertops pulled out of MTTs >1k, then the network lowered the GTDs... again.


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Kahn

something tells me their invitations to U.S. players will dramatically increase

And you guess that from what recent development? The by far less tables and tournaments available?

Absolutely.
The diminished player pool is creating a demand for existing Intertops customers which the company will try to remedy. Extending more invitations to U.S. customers seems like a likely move

I see what you are saying, however...
I Disagree


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Kahn

You realize that Intertops does not depend on any US customers for poker nor does invite any of them by themselves though, right?

This isn't Lock. Intertops operates on long-term thinking and poker isn't even their bread and butter. If Intertops began aggressively marketing themselves to US players with sign up bonuses and rakeback deals and such, it will create exactly the situation that happened with Lock. Lock threw common sense out the window, opened the floodgates, and couldn't handle the load - not to mention they used the money on ridiculous crap and nonsense.

I think Intertops itself will be just fine throughout this ordeal. They played Revolution for a fool last weekend and showed them exactly what kind of dumb dumbs they are. Rev lost over $20k on one tournament because they didn't have time to reduce the GTD for the $75k Pro Elite in time after Tops pulled out.

Tops just needs to keep their heads and they'll be fine. The evidence seems to suggest they are.

Whereas I (amongst others) appreciate everything you do for the forum here, I have to disagree with what you say here. I believe Itops to be a straight up company. Expanding business doesn't open one up to thievery, you are what you are. I think few would say Pstars are thieves, either before or since opening/closing their American exposure.

As far as Revolution losing $20K on ANY tourney...they don't pay out winnings. They lost absolutely nothing and in fact made money, because they are thieves.

I just don't feel Intertops is as aggressively molded as Lock. They seem a heck of a lot more steady-minded and obviously they are smart not to open the doors to every US player that wants in. I'm not against a company expanding - but the way Lock did it should serve as a healthy reminder that pure greed for greed's sake is indeed bad for business.

EDIT: And please, feel free to disagree...haha. Everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions.

I don't think there's any concern that Intertops would stop paying out if they started accepting US players.

I don't think Intertops makes too much money from US players. Once its US player base reaches a certain point, I think it will reach a point of diminishing returns due to processing fees and potential legal issues.