Quick question folks : is it possible to deposit through a debit card (or interac or whatever) to then withdraw in BTC?

Any way to remove the last card peeling on GG?

as I know you can only withdraw with your deposit method.

nope.

I'd you have an agent, talk to them. If not, only the options in your cashier.

GG almost always punishes me when I don't take Insurance. Go figure. And A always comes.

Right now there are more players logged on to GG than stars 114k to 93k yet the zoom player pools on stars have 5 times more players. Why would this be when GG is supposed to have lower rake for these games?

Also, i noticed the number of players playing Rush seems to have dropped by about 50% in the last couple of weeks, have they increased the rake or something?

Someone I spoke to said that if you sign up with an affiliate for gg and they find out, gg could ban you or confiscate account balances. Can someone point me out to this in the thread somewhere? So all these players that have their acct frozen or funds confiscated, were you guys signed up with an affliate? That person told me whether you sign up for ggpoker or natural8, just sign up directly so there won't be any issues with this. Do most of you agree on this?



Also they said you can have accoutns at both skins. Can others confirm this is true? If that is the case, it seems like almost everyone here plays on gg and not natural8? Im confused why almost everyone seem to play on gg and rarely do ppl talk about n8? Its like how everyone plays on ACR and you dont see that many talk about BCP or True etc.



I'm guessing sign up for one skin directly and you sign for another skin with an affliate?

This doesn't make sense, how can they not know if they are affiliated with someone? And how does an affiliate get a signup link through which they can get paid if GG does not affiliate with anyone?

Dear GG,

Let us play from the USA so we don't have to deal with ACR anymore.

kthx.

Made mistake in my post. I meant that person said if gg find out you sign out you get extra rakeback with an affliate, they could ban you. They said this is posted in the thread but i assume this is very far back in this thread.

I guess its bc they pay leaderboards currently in wsop tickets and T$ - lots of cashgame players arent interested in those and w/o leaderboard cash it becomes unprofitable for some regs. Also in the past could play from almost any country while now you need KYC so alot of players from restricted territories needed to stop

The policy in rgds to this is old but lately they seem to be getting serious about it. Was insane agent fight for who could offer 3% more than the next guy. Tbh i dont know why they care so much about this bc GG makes the same money and its a problem for agents exclusively who have to decrease their bottomline further and further to be able to compete w more aggressive agents

Timstone, so you are suggesting if you sign up with gg or natural8... or at least with one of the sites.. just sign up directly and don't use an affliliate? What do you mean by rgds?



So you mean recently as in now, you could get your acct banned/consfiscated if you are getting rakeback from your aflliate? What about rewards and like rake races? Or are both treated the same? Of if gg find out you get extra rakeback only from affliate, you could have problems but rake race and those other things are no issue?

I'm not aware of any bans and confiscations due to this. As being said this is an old policy this is nothing new BUT lately they seem to be getting more serious about it.
I can't make the decision for you if you should sign up w an agent or without. The main benefit for players signing up through agents were:
1. can play any country (not possible anymore)
2. get extra rb (not possible anymore)
3. have more deposit/cashout options
4. if problems better chance to resolve via agent than on your own

so 50% of the reasons and the main reasons you would go with an agent are not existing anymore at least officially

If you as an agent would go and create private rakeraces for your players this would be essentially the same as paying them extra rb so go figure.

Hummmm, a lot of stuff seems suspicious about GG, at least as far as very recent history... I signed up through raketherake, not sure how that could ever be an issue - is it? -, but given that I just want to fire away at a few HS WSOP events, the risk vs reward seems dubious at best...

It shouldnt be an issue IF you didnt have any prior accounts w different agent on GG and if you dont move to another agent after raketherake.
But if you are decent winner and move agents + new skin/account every 3 months they will come after you if they find out about it.

Well im not in a restricted country so that wouldn't be an issue. The extra rb... well that is nice but since that is not possible anymore... okay.


How many more deposit cashout options do agents even have? I mean someone mentioned gg/n8 had neteller, skrill and btc. Im guessing something like zelle/paypal right?


Well wouldnt those private rake races be extra rb and thus be not allowed? How in the world would gg even know about this?

because people talk about stuff. just need one hostile agent or player to leak info to GG and it's GG

how would GG know about extra rb being paid? same story

Wait. So if the hostile agent leaks info to gg... wouldn't they get screwed as well? Or you mean like an opposing agent to an agent who knows a certain player signed through the other person as oppose to them?



What do you mean if the player does it? If they do... well they are screwing themselves as well? Unless they no longer play on gg anymore?


Someone else above mentioned they signed up through raketherake. So would you say affliates like that which are well known are more safe than a regular person you find through the forums here since they have an impeccable record and like how their website looks? I know i had an account with them years ago through FTP a long time ago and never was an issue. But im sure gg knows raketherake and those big affliate sites sign players up though so wouldn't they have issues?

Depends on the agent, bitcoin, Revolut, Transferwise, Skrill, stable coin, etc... all on the menu for some.

As far as the rake race/benefits of an agent, its main purpose is to dissuade poaching. Agent 1 offers X to their players. Agent 2 sees their website and decides to offer X*.25% to pkayera, etc....

Its fairly common now. WPN send out a memo, no more private races or anything. If a large group has an internal contest not directly related to a site, probably safe. If they say directly we give you X if you play on this site, that can be an issue.

GG is pretty aggressive about several things, poaching players, bum hunting, and use of AI. Now with the WSOP, if you attempt to play from a restricted location, you have pretty close to 0% chance of it going through. They sent a very clear memo out about thia stuff.

Okay that make sense with those other deposit/cashout methods. i didn't know there were so many.


I get what you mean with poaching.


I had no idea wpn had the private races etc. Well i had no idea ppl could even play on gg on any location previously.


But based on how gg is now with the policies, would you say might as well just sign up directly as oppose to an affiliate because of how things are now? I mean from looking at the cashout deposit options with gg it seem you can use neteller, skrill and bitcoin... which would work for almost anyone.


Also any reason why nobody talks much about natural8? Im really surprised so many ppl talk about ggpoker and very few talk about natural8. Similar to like how so many ppl play on acr skin but not bcp. But its likke nobody talks about n8?

Also when you say gg is pretty aggressive with all those things, the other skins are as well right? Such as natural8? Because i dont think i seen any post about anyone complaining about funds frozen confiscated with n8... all seem to be gg.

Brits won't talk about N8 because it isn't available here.

grindet the all in or fold tables the last days and wanted to state my results.
rake is 20 $ per 1000 hands on 0.10/0.25 4 handed.

I played a bit over 8k hands with 31% push rate (played heads up a few times when the table bricks or I´m starting a new table, all together my push rate is around 22).

hands: 8443
rake paid: 168,86

winnings: 60 (ev wise)
first deposit bonus: 25
bingo: 34
fish buffet: 16 (started from the bottom)
affiliate: 18 (see *)

* got a 30% flat rb deal, paid 168 in rake but only got 54 bucks tracked on my site... thought all in or fold rake isnt PVI but for now I´m unsure if my aff. is dumping me or gg calcualtes pvi on all in or fold as well...

To sum it up:
Paid rake: 168,86
incomes: 153,00
makes a - of 15,86 or -1,79 every 1000 hands.

I hit the jackpot 2 times for 190 and 170 = 360
both times with low suited connector (only pushing or callling these in the "blind battle"). Missed the jackpot 10+ times where only 1 card was missing...

for me, it´s too much of a gamble and not +ev long term. it´s a fun variant, but I dont want to play and rely only on the jackpot. And that´s the only way making money with these. There are plenty of ppl grinding these very hard with 20k of jackpot profits.

ps: biggest swings before rake was 45 buy ins in both directions, you can add +10 buy ins for the downswing on rake and minus 10 buy ins for the upswing... ^^

crazy games, one tilt session after plo. even more tilted^^



anyway, does anyone know what happens to unused silk road tickets? the one i talked to on N8 didnt realy know.

The reason you probably hear very little from affikiates/agents with N8 is their payment system. If you had 2 players that did a massive amount of rake, million a month as an example, N8 would pay the affiliate $0.00. They do not pay a penny until a minimum amount of players generating a minimum amount of rake a month. Every other skin has far more user friendly affiliate deals.

Deciding to go with a rep or direct, a personal decision. The pros with a rep os they probably have a history with the operator and can help when any issue arises. The negative of a rep is some are outright scammy and liars. An agent has access to balances as GG requires agents to handle the cashier on behalf of the player or they get charged up to 4% to deposit and 1% to withdraw. With that said, if a player complained to GG security their money was missing, a one time occurrence could possibly happen, but if several did, GG would seize the agent's panel and funds.

The reality is, an affiliate or agent is probably honest and if established can be a big asset to the player overall. Like every aspect of life, most people ate honest and sincere. It is when you find the ones that are not that personal opinion sways



GG is the underlying security department. Every skin has their own, but part of the agreement to own a skin will include phraseology that the decisions of GG Poker are final in matters of x, y, z....

can anyone deposit at Natural 8 using Skrill? I keep getting "session expired" right when I click deposit button.