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04-06-2014 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Ive been grinding online poker and studying the game for nearly ten years. Ive played against, watched, and studied enough pro short stackers to know how successful ones generally operate.
You watch and you study and you watch. You watch and you post and you watch. You study and you play and you study and you watch and you post and you study and you watch. You post and you post and you post and you post and you post and you post and you watch.

Ten years of this and where are you as a poker player? What stakes are you at? What have you accomplished? The answer to those questions is how much credit I give your opinions on anything that has to do with poker. 10 years son!!! You know where good players are at after 10 years of playing? They aren't watching and posting and watching and posting and playing some double up sng's lol. There's a couple people like you on here who post more than you play and like to play pretend that you're a relevant voice.

Last edited by A$AP Cereal; 04-06-2014 at 10:52 PM.
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04-06-2014 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Malefiicus
Yeah, to echo what everyone else is saying, the actions attributed to these short stackers are the actions of fish, not some short stack strategy. A successful shortstack is highly aggressive and plays in a way which most resembles a successful hyper turbo strategy (aka, a push fold chart). In playing on Bovada, I have never played a single short stack that I thought was a winning player.
People aren't short stacking because they're winning so yes totally true. There are three kinds of ss's. All but the fish are bad for the game and that's my only point. There's nothing good that comes from a ss who makes other players tighten up. There's not a single full stacking reg that will make me tighten up at the table and that's my point. Some people in here sound like super nitty games are what they want.
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04-06-2014 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Btw, not to keep harping on this silly subject, but this one post illustrates my point perfectly.

A lot of you guys just dont seem to understand that a ton of recs just buy in for min and you think that they are winning players employing some good SS strategy for some reason. Of course there are good SS on every site, but the players this Cereal dude is complaining about and the ones described in the post above are not them obviously.

Oh yeah, Lol about having to tighten up your opening range because one of these SS might flat you.
Yeah this exactly. You know my stance on short stackers, I think they are good for the game and drive the action, and without them the tables nit right up. I'd say I only see 1 out of 10 short stackers playing in the way he describes, from 50nl-400nl. The rest are just, well, the kind of players I want to play.

There was a short stacker on merge that people used to really complain about because he basically just shoved any hand he played. He would leave immediately after doubling up, regardless of how many buyins he lost. Look up vipplayer1 on merge to see how he did overall. These are the kinds of players I love to play against. Increasing the min buyin would kill the nlhe action imo.
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04-06-2014 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by A$AP Cereal
You watch and you study and you watch. You watch and you post and you watch. You study and you play and you study and you watch and you post and you study and you watch. You post and you post and you post and you post and you post and you post and you watch.

Ten years of this and where are you as a poker player? What stakes are you at? What have you accomplished? The answer to those questions is how much credit I give your opinions on anything that has to do with poker. 10 years son!!! You know where good players are at after 10 years of playing? They aren't watching and posting and watching and posting and playing some double up sng's lol. There's a couple people like you on here who post more than you play and like to play pretend that you're a relevant voice.
I apologize if I offended you, but everything I said was accurate.

As far as how much money Ive won playing poker, I see no benefit in posting that information. For one, I dont care to impress you or to gain your favor or respect if thats what it takes to gain it. Secondly, its a douchy looking thing to do. I dont feel like the money Ive won or currently win is brag worthy at all and have never made any such claim, and even if it was, Id feel no need to brag about it or rub it in anyones face as I am not that immature.

Ill refrain from trying to help you or correct your falsities in the future, as its clear you believe you know all the answers and are not responsive to being corrected when you are wrong.

Like I said, good luck.
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04-06-2014 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by A$AP Cereal
People aren't short stacking because they're winning so yes totally true. There are three kinds of ss's. All but the fish are bad for the game and that's my only point. There's nothing good that comes from a ss who makes other players tighten up. There's not a single full stacking reg that will make me tighten up at the table and that's my point. Some people in here sound like super nitty games are what they want.
Yes, I'd prefer the games had a higher minimum buyin. But no, I don't think the short stacks (which I classify all as fish) hurt my winrate, in fact I believe the opposite, and that's due to their skill level.
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04-06-2014 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
I apologize if I offended you, but everything I said was accurate.

As far as how much money Ive won playing poker, I see no benefit in posting that information. For one, I dont care to impress you or to gain your favor or respect if thats what it takes to gain it. Secondly, its a douchy looking thing to do. I dont feel like the money Ive won or currently win is brag worthy at all and have never made any such claim, and even if it was, Id feel no need to brag about it or rub it in anyones face as I am not that immature.

Ill refrain from trying to help you or correct your falsities in the future, as its clear you believe you know all the answers and are not responsive to being corrected when you are wrong.

Like I said, good luck.
You watch and you post and you watch and you post. You don't have to share any information because your cards are face up. I know exactly what you are lol. There's about five of you wannabes in here.
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04-06-2014 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Malefiicus
Yes, I'd prefer the games had a higher minimum buyin. But no, I don't think the short stacks (which I classify all as fish) hurt my winrate, in fact I believe the opposite, and that's due to their skill level.
It really depends on what style you play I guess. I get my edge at the games playing lag. If I have to nit it up like every other player at the table my winrate cuts in half. I'm def making more in full stacked games than games with 2 or more ss's. It's whatever. I'm obv forced to deal with it.
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04-07-2014 , 12:07 AM
First post on 2+2 in a long time, but Reddit just thinks I'm trolling so.... Here it goes.

I have proof that Bovada is shorting me (my money literally vanishes, hand history proves it, obviously NOT intentional). I only have hand history proof of one occasion currently(I know it has happened multiple times). I would have to dig through thousands upon thousands of hands to prove every single instance. So...

Do I just e-mail/call support and telling them what the programming flaw is, and ask for my money back and just accept whatever they give to me? Or should I go through my entire hand history and prove every single instance of this happening? Also, I'm sure I am not the only person victimized by this, so do I post what the exact issue is + proof?
Never had this happen before on any site. So some serious advice would be appreciated.
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04-07-2014 , 12:10 AM
I'm just going to start referring everyone who says poker is dead/dying to this thread.
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04-07-2014 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by EvictionNotice
lso, I'm sure I am not the only person victimized by this, so do I post what the exact issue is + proof?
Never had this happen before on any site. So some serious advice would be appreciated.
If you have discovered a flaw in the cashier that is shorting people wed all appreciate if you posted about it yes.
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04-07-2014 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by EvictionNotice
First post on 2+2 in a long time, but Reddit just thinks I'm trolling so.... Here it goes.

I have proof that Bovada is shorting me (my money literally vanishes, hand history proves it, obviously NOT intentional). I only have hand history proof of one occasion currently(I know it has happened multiple times). I would have to dig through thousands upon thousands of hands to prove every single instance. So...

Do I just e-mail/call support and telling them what the programming flaw is, and ask for my money back and just accept whatever they give to me? Or should I go through my entire hand history and prove every single instance of this happening? Also, I'm sure I am not the only person victimized by this, so do I post what the exact issue is + proof?
Never had this happen before on any site. So some serious advice would be appreciated.
Honestly I've thought this happened to me a number of times and only in losing sessions where it seems like I lost a half or full buy in more than I did. I just assume it's my miscalculation so I dont have to go over hundreds of hands.
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04-07-2014 , 01:14 AM
Anyone else get disconnected at Zone? I exited out of the client now I can't get back on. Everything else in my internet is working.
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04-07-2014 , 01:15 AM
Bovada disconnecting again.
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04-07-2014 , 01:15 AM
disconnected here too (with AA in the big blind facing a shove ah!)
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04-07-2014 , 01:16 AM
down for me
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04-07-2014 , 01:16 AM
disconnectedf and cant reconnect
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04-07-2014 , 01:16 AM
Down for me

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04-07-2014 , 01:16 AM
Was in final 23/67 in plo8 ds 1k gaur 22$ buyin booted off table and cant get back to it.
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04-07-2014 , 01:16 AM
Yup, just went down
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04-07-2014 , 01:17 AM
same here
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04-07-2014 , 01:17 AM
damnit X_X
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04-07-2014 , 01:17 AM
disc
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04-07-2014 , 01:17 AM
I hate bovada so much sometimes.
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04-07-2014 , 01:17 AM
this is getting ridiculous. whats going on here. not pleased
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04-07-2014 , 01:17 AM
bovada.lv is down too
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