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07-15-2019 , 02:51 AM
Also rumnchess (Alex) was one of the biggest SNG winners 10+ years ago, so pretty sure he didn’t make this fold for another reason (other than Garry’s range being super nitty for a big stack)


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07-15-2019 , 02:53 AM
braminc posting and KevMath mentioned itt

a couple names I haven't heard in a long long time
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07-15-2019 , 03:19 AM
Anyone but Gates
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07-15-2019 , 03:22 AM
Surprised no one mentioned lon thinking he saw eskimo Clarke when he's been dead for years.
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07-15-2019 , 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by fakekidpoker
Anyone but Gates
+1

Last edited by SootedPowa; 07-15-2019 at 03:38 AM. Reason: Maahs or however you spell it would not be great either
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07-15-2019 , 03:44 AM
I like limping with the QQ.
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07-15-2019 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by fakekidpoker
Anyone but Gates
Except Maahs
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07-15-2019 , 04:18 AM
totally different spot. that nit is no longer a poker player, just a total disgrace.

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Originally Posted by braminc

If I keep seeing nonsense about how bad this fold is i might have come out of retirement to do some math for the haters.

Judging from your lol analysis please please come back. Alex was pretty much a short stack at that table as well, he can hardly wait for a better spot than that one.
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07-15-2019 , 04:29 AM
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07-15-2019 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DogFace
Lost amid all the Main Event hoopla, the $1.5k bracelet winners only NLHE was an interesting concept and I had to laugh at the fact that even though the field was restricted to an elite group of players, the final table consisted almost entirely of people I'd never heard of.

Given the small field and lack of excitement the event seemed to generate, I'm guessing we won't see that one back on the schedule next year.
It was rake-free too but they scheduled it so that day two was the same day as the $100k.
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07-15-2019 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jwd
This dbag asking for a count with J7 is so ****ing tilting
I think at first he was trying to stall to increase the chances that the shorter stacks busted first, and then after that he was trying to do some kind of balancing with timing tells and asking for counts with both good and bad hands but he did it really badly.

Maybe he was trying to be like the guys who take the same amount of time to think every hand regardless of whether or not they're folding. Also maybe he uses it as a strategy to tilt the other players?
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07-15-2019 , 06:54 AM
hope ensan loses, we don't want another trash player to win the WSOP
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07-15-2019 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by scullion44
I liked the 100K putting the amount of seconds a player was taking on the screen.
The 100k had a shot clock
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07-15-2019 , 08:07 AM
We really need to have a chess like clock every level. You get X minutes in total throughout the level. That clock starts the second the person to your right acts.

Once you run out of time you get 10 seconds max per decision or your hand is dead. Would have to have rules in place for the dealer to clarify bet size (if there is one) before the clock starts.

This would incentivize people to fold much quicker preflop and on other streets with trivial folds. It would also make things more fair when you have some people who take up much more time than others which is within the rules but gives them a competitive advantage.

Yes, it would be difficult to implement, but it would make live poker tournaments so much better.
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07-15-2019 , 08:46 AM
My take on the controversial hand- the most important part is that a ruling was made, you can see Dario nod in acceptance and then the cards were turned over. This is the point that he decides to protest the ruling. If the hands were reversed, do you think he would have acted the same way? Of course not. This is the definition of an angle. I don’t understand the argument of “its big money at stake so I don’t blame Dario for standing up for himself”. An angle is an angle period.
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07-15-2019 , 09:40 AM
Cross posted in the other thread as well, but it is relevant

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07-15-2019 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by yamu
hope ensan loses, we don't want another trash player to win the WSOP
Haters gonna hate. He is a better than avg player and a very nice human being as it seems. Would make a great and likeable ambassador.
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07-15-2019 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by braminc
ICM math is hard to estimate without actually punching numbers in, but the QQ fold is somewhere between slightly bad and pretty good.

Don't get married to standard poker ranges dogmatically without thinking through whole context. Chipping up or doubling through big stack here do surprisingly little here for Alex's $equity and busting here is a total ICM disaster given his high likelihood at 3rd/4th place. Alex's bubble factor against Garry is MASSIVE (meaning the relationship of chips won vs chips lost vs Garry is exponentially worse than vs other players or compared to cash game setting). This relationship is also non-linear as the more chips he gets in vs him, the worse the bubble factor.

If I keep seeing nonsense about how bad this fold is i might have come out of retirement to do some math for the haters.
So what's the gist of the ICM results if it's not too bad - just based on the huge gap between the top 2 players and the rest of the field?
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07-15-2019 , 11:03 AM
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Haters gonna hate. He is a better than avg player and a very nice human being as it seems. Would make a great and likeable ambassador.
What exactly do these guys do as "ambassador" for poker? I guess they show up on all the major poker podcasts, get a couple magazine stories - is that about it?
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07-15-2019 , 11:15 AM
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What exactly do these guys do as "ambassador" for poker? I guess they show up on all the major poker podcasts, get a couple magazine stories - is that about it?
They show up the next year looking like John Cynn, like he has been living on an island by himself for the last year.
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07-15-2019 , 11:19 AM
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They show up the next year looking like John Cynn, like he has been living on an island by himself for the last year.
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07-15-2019 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by braminc
ICM math is hard to estimate without actually punching numbers in, but the QQ fold is somewhere between slightly bad and pretty good.

Don't get married to standard poker ranges dogmatically without thinking through whole context. Chipping up or doubling through big stack here do surprisingly little here for Alex's $equity and busting here is a total ICM disaster given his high likelihood at 3rd/4th place. Alex's bubble factor against Garry is MASSIVE (meaning the relationship of chips won vs chips lost vs Garry is exponentially worse than vs other players or compared to cash game setting). This relationship is also non-linear as the more chips he gets in vs him, the worse the bubble factor.

If I keep seeing nonsense about how bad this fold is i might have come out of retirement to do some math for the haters.
I’m not a hater here but would like to see the assumptions and the math

Doesn’t seem like it would be too hard, just need a few assumptions

What is Gates’s calling range vs jam? How often is he raise folding?

Once you have that it’s a 2 minute job
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07-15-2019 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
lol Gates

"there were reports of you tanking for no reason"
Can anyone tell me which hand was live when this comment was made.

I was called away last night and am now watching - based on dude’s comment I figure this happened around 10pm pdt but can’t find it.

EDIT: NM - found it.

Last edited by harkin; 07-15-2019 at 12:08 PM.
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07-15-2019 , 12:07 PM
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Can anyone tell me which hand was live when this comment was made.

I was called away last night and am now watching - based on dude’s comment I figure this happened around 10pm pdt but can’t find it.
it was the hand where Maahs had TT and a legit reason to tank
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07-15-2019 , 12:12 PM
Anywhere to watch it again? I'm in a european country and can't watch last night action on pokergo as apparantly a national channel is gonna broadcast it (nobody knows which channel and when will do it)

Thanks in advance.
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