Quantify this. Based on information available your a losing player at these events and I don't understand how pointing out your three final tables (while impressive)really has anything to do with your overall success or ROI in the WPT.

A MLB player has 4 hits in a game 3 games out of 162. However, for the season he hits .200. Is he a successful hitter Because he had those three four hit games?

Lets make it even tougher.


A MLB player throws 3 no hitters in a season, however his Batting Average Against (BAA) for the season is .350 and had an ERA over 5.00. Is he a successful pitcher.


Last but no least.


The sun shines on a dogs butt every once in while.

Is it me or did Daniel do a very similar blog post like a 1,5 years ago?
I think the title was pretty much the same and in the blog he posted the WSOP and WPT all time money list and cash percentage standings.

found it:
http://fullcontactpoker.com/poker-jo...t_from=&ucat=&

close enough imo

Examining stats on sample sizes of 30-100 tourneys is pretty lol, especially if trying to seriously draw conclusions from it as far as someones playing ability.

But yeah, it does basically just point out that most people playing the live circuit aren't making much money if any at all, but that's not really news for anyone that follows the poker community.

Daniel said you need to make $20K per event to make traveling worthwhile, which is not the same as saying $20K per event is your average cost. It's not even close to that. I rarely travel for just 1 WPT event, but I think travel expenses per event are on average going to be in the neighborhood of $1400. And as people have said if you live in Vegas you don't have travel expenses for a decent % of the events every year.

Um, no. Not for Chainsaw, who lives in NV. Nice try though. Apparently he was excluding Europe from his comments.

Women's Earnings per event (> 30 events played)

6. Annie Duke $6,503.27 (119th)

DN did those for the sole purpose...
Of pointing out who the Most Overrated Player is.

Considering expenses...
Annie would do better if she just burned the 10K buy-ins.

$1,000 says Ivey improves his WPT % ROI over the next 30 years

If you take the top 10 cashers, I would estimate roi at over 300% pretty good imho.

I also was at the same table with Alan during one of the Belaggio prelim events in April 2 or 3 years ago, and he ended up all-in preflop fairly early in the tournament with his Kings against a tight player to his right who re-raised Alan's re-raise - they were about even in stacks. Of course the other guy had Aces, and Alan spiked a King on the flop. He doesn't always run bad.

Ahhh so the plot thickens. Let's see him talk his way out of this one.

I cant believe you consider yourself a professional player and yet are capable of writing this post. Nobody read this and felt any sympathy for you, or decided you are a better player than your results show. Everything you typed is something that everyone who plays poker deals with. Maybe its time to find a new profession? Clearly, you cant handle the one you've chosen.

Again, who cares. I did not cash. I've played one. I have a day job, and I don't profess to be any sort of poker champion, although I enjoy playing and have been learning more and more. I managed to satellite in for $170 - it was my first time ever playing NLHE at a casino.

I think it is funny that you come out here and defend yourself against idiots like me - you need thicker skin. And you are a losing player. You don't get an asterisk for losing all in with a dominating ace at a final table. That's poker, and it does even out. You've never sucked out on someone? And yes, I recognize that it is a small sample size.

Mostly, I thought you were kind of a jerk when I played with you - you seemed to think that everyone (except for you) was an idiot. Not just with me, but other players, staff, dealers etc... Honestly, I wouldn't have even chimed in here (I rarely feel compelled to post), except that you made such a terrific negative impression on me in this event. GL with your continued "success" on the WPT!

i don't get why someone as smart as Chainsaw doesn't realize that playing super tight isn't the mathematically optimal way to play tournament poker given all the money is in the top 3 spots.....

We finally figure out who this hater is. A wannabe loser who got in a $1500 tourney via a $170 satellite. Originally he claimed he played with me in a WPT event, apparently that wasn't the case afterall.

I don't know why I even respond to these people.....

I think it is funny that you do respond. It was a $10,000 WPT in Niagara Falls. I won a two tier single table satellite to get in for $170.

I sat with you for an hour and you whined like my three year old little girl the whole time.

I'd rather be a wannabe loser than a true loser.

Ive never heard of live $170 satellites for WPT events. Excuse my ignorance.

I went really deep in that event trapping someone for their whole stack with AA v QQ on the flop with about 80 players left.

Instead of being in the top 10 in chips the guy hit a Queen on the turn. The reporters were in shock, but commented that these things only happen to me.

How did you fare in that event or any other tourney?

Those things do tend to happen, if you always expect to lose beforehand. Have not you heard about "the power of positive thinking"?

I think you should at least try some of that.

Focus on positive things, instead of whining about structures and keep the focus on leaving your ever growing stalling addiction behind of you.

Hey Chainsaw!
Why does every post you make contain some sort of whine?

Miserable Mondays with Allen "the Chainsaw" Kessler.

I watched the DVD "the secret" and havent cashed since .... the people in that dvd think that good things will happen and somehow it does for them .....

it didnt work for me..

If it wasn't for luck you would win them all. The mantra of a losing player.

I busted at the end of day 1. I obviously am not out on the circuit, but think it is funny that you want to compare stats with an admitted rank amateur. I've played about 20 live poker tournaments this year, I've won one outright, and chopped three way and five ways in another two, but mostly again, who cares? I don't, nor do I care about your stats. I also moneyed a few others, all very insignificant events in local card rooms. I'm not trying to make the point that I am some sort of competent player; mostly I don't ever berate my opponents or treat people or staff in a card room in a demeaning way. Or complain a lot.

I do find it terrifically entertaining that you would engage in this dialogue and make the point "oh, yeah, what are your tournament stats?" Again, mostly my original comment was about how you seemed to not treat other people with any dignity or respect, and you seemed like a jerk. However in the spirit of this thread, my hour with you before our table broke was a very limited statistical sample. I'm sure that 90% of the time you are gracious, I just caught you in rare form.

I once was 2 hours late for a wedding because I missed a ferry. True story.

History of this thread. The most worthwhile point made was the following

And here is Chain Saw Proving it.



You respond to people you call haters and ill informed, however you wont respond to this comment of mine which I assume you cant. But lets look further @ chainsaws proving the first quote in my post.

Always an excuse, and funny you continue to think of yourself the "unluckiest" player on the circuit.


I was feeling bad by all the negativity that surrounds your post as I do not really know you. However, the more I read your post, I just laugh now and think of you as another delusional poker player who thinks he is unlucky and good. This is why it does not really matter if DN points out the names it wont stop you from entering WPT events which is awesome. Way to contribute to the poker economy on a continued basis.

The sample size is very small. I managed to get to 3 WPT final tables, you have to admit that once you get there luck has a factor.

I was extremely unlucky in one of those 3 final tables and about 80% of the time I rated to be one of the top chipleaders playing for 1.5 million when the money went in, rather than mincashing for 125K or so.

Like I explained earlier, just this one hand, changes my whole WPT profitability dynamic. If you cannot understand that, there is nothing further I can explain.

These stats are extremely volatile. One or 2 hands can completely change a player from what appears to be a big loser to a seemingly big winner.