Negreanu was also part of the reasont he structures were so bad last year. He failed to even look at the strutures even though he was part of the committee.

With all the poker is drying up comments, this is a pleasant surprise I guess.

structure is prob the reason, it seems like alot of the big name pros are playing multipule events at the same time

Because they are pros!

GFT.

Skill comes out in the end.

Not sure if anyone mentioned it but one thing to keep in mind is that with each passing year of the poker boom there are more and more "known" poker players.

There have been several final tables this year where I recognized literally every single player, either by reputation or personal acquaintance.

Very good players, playing live.

Cmon Kevin you know what I mean. I was just pulling a number out of a$$ there to make a point. Any idea how many will be playing the ME?

The pros have just adapted to the playing conditions. They've had 5 years to figure out how they want to play in these "crapshoots". With better structures it allows an experienced player to put the amatuer player in more positions to make mistakes.


Event 1 $10,000 PL Holdem 352 entrants
1st - Nenad Medic
2nd - Andy Bloch
3rd - Kathy Leibert
4th - Mike Sexton
7th - Patrik Antonius
9th - Phil Laak

Event 2 $1500 NL Holdem 3,929 entrants
3rd - Chris Ferguson
4th - Theo Tran
11th - Perry Friedman
12th - Minh Nguyen

Event 3 $1500 PL Holdem 713 entrants
1st - David Singer
6th - Joe Tehan
25th - Tom McEvoy

Event 4 $5000 Mixed Holdem 332 Entrants
1st - Erick Lindgren
2nd - Justin Bonomo
3rd - Andrew Robl
4th - Roland De Wolfe
5th - David Rheem
6th - Howard Lederer
7th - David Williams
9th - Isaac Haxton
11th - Chau Giang
15th - Andy Bloch
18th - Robert Williamson III
24th - Phil Laak

Event 5 $1000 NL Holdem Rebuy
5th - Alan Jaffray
7th - Michael Binger
15th - Clonie Gowen
16th - Nam Le
22nd - Daniel Negreanu
24th - Nenad Medic
27th - John Juanda

Event 6 $1500 Omaha Hi/Lo 833 entrants
9th - Scott Clements (B2B Bracelts last year in O, still hot this year, sick)
10th- Mark Gregorich

Event 7 $2000 NL Holdem 1592 entrants
2nd - Shannon Shorr
4th - Theo Tran
7th - JC Tran
15th - Dustin Wolff

Event 8 $10,000 WC Mixed Event 192 entrants
5th - Eli Elezra
6th - Sam Farha
7th - Tom Dwan
8th - Jeff Madsen
9th - David Oppenheim
10th - Gus Hansen
12th - Tom Schneider
13th - Johnny Chan
14th - Lee Watkinson
16th - Amnon Filippi
18th - Brandon Adams
19th - Greg Mueller
21st - Doyle Brunson

Event 9 $1500 NL Holdem 1,236 entrants
This started during the 10k so ignore this one

Event 10 $2500 Omaha/ 7 Stud Hi/lo 388 entrants
3rd - John Cernuto
8th - Michael Mizrachi
9th - Brandon Cantu
11th - James Van Allstyne
14th - Hoyt Corkins
19th - Jeff Lisandro
22nd - Allen Cunningham

Event 11 $5,000 NL Shootout 360 entrants
2nd - Greg Mueller
7th - John Juanda
13th - Eric Froelich
22nd - Alex Jacob
25th - Eric Seidel

Event 12 $1500 Limit 880 entrants
6th - Markus Golser
10th - Erick Lindgren

Event 13 $2500 NL Holdem 1,390 entrants

Event 14 $10,000 7 card WC 158 entrants
4th - Minh Ly
5th - Erik Seidel
7th - David Oppenheim
9th - Phil Ivey
11th - Daniel Negreanu

Event 16 $2000 Omaha Hi/lo 553 entrants
2nd - Ted Forrest
7th - Scott Clements (4 final tables in last 4 omaha/hi/lo appearances 2 wins)

Event 18 $5000 NL 2-7 Draw 85 entrants
1st - Mike Matusow
2nd - Jeff Lisandro
3rd - Barry Greenstein
4th - Erick Lindgren
5th - Tom Scheider
6th - Tony G
7th - David Benyamine
8th - Tom Dwan
12th - Nick Schulman
14th - Michael Binger

Event 19 $1500 PL Omaha 759 entrants
1st - Vanessa Selbst
19th - Jordan Morgan

Event 20 $2000 Limit Holdem 480 entrants
1st - Daniel Negreanu

Event 21 $5000 NL Holdem
9th - Scott Freeman
11th - Michael Mizrachi
14th - Humberto Brenes

Event 22 $3000 Horse 414 entrants
3rd - Marcel Luske
4th - Hoyt Corkins
6th - Steve Zolotow
8th - Jennifer Harman Traniello
10th - Blair Rodman
11th - Eric Froelich
12th - Todd Brunson
13th - Mickey Appleman
20th - Tom Scheider
23rd - Phil Ivey

in some of the more obscure events, it wouldnt be surprising if half of the field was regarded as a "pro" in some capacity.

you forgot:

1st- Jens Voertmann, a Full Tilt red.



The biggest "pro vs. unknowns" accomplishment I think is:

3rd - Chris Ferguson, Event 2 $1500 NL Holdem 3,929 entrants
...Clearly the biggest donkament, larger than the 2004 ME. For a high-profile pro to FT is a major accomplishment.

and to a lesser extent:

1st - David Singer, Event 3 $1500 PL Holdem 713 entrants
...Although pros typically do better in PL events because it rewards patience and post-flop skill, beating a 713 field is huge. BTW, Singer isn't just a random FTP Red. He's been playing very well recently.



Every other tournament that a pro won had smaller fields and were relatively stacked with pros. And the reason for this seems to be the number of non-NLHE events, plus higher buy-ins. I suppose structure played some role.

Either way, I'm impressed and find it exciting to see recognizable, top players win events. And it's probably good for the game and the WSOP.

If Cunningham and Greenstein win today, this would definitely be the Year of the Pro...


Interesting thing I noticed looking through these charts: The $2000 Limit Hold'em had less than 500 players, which made it smaller than the $1500 PLHE and Omaha hi/lo; and only slightly larger than the 3K HORSE. Looks like limit is dying. Funny thing is that Matt Savage pointed out that in 2002 the most popular tournaments were limit hold'em!

online kids are pwning the NLHE events

pros are pwning the mixed events

NLHE events have huge fields with a lot of strong online kids in them

mixed events have very small fields with 3/4 of the field being known pros

they have set it up incredibly well this year, every day there are two events, one NLHE with a big and very soft field (for kids to make their name in) and one mixed game with a very well known field (to make poker look good when matusow wins the 50 person crazy pineapple tournament etc)

i noticed this last year during the WPT as online players and some live pro made more and morefinal tables.

most things ive heard were positive about the structures of the tourneys this year, benefiting skill. also the WPT structures have been tweaked to benefit play value.

also, i'd say it's part because the lower numbers of completely ignorant players has reduced the general variance for good players and their +ev plays.

honestly anyone who attributes it to anything other than "famous people make up at least 50% of the field of every single mixed event" is dreaming

how many 1500+ person events were won by a live pro so far? zero or was there one i forgot about?

it's by nature of the design of the schedule that each day one random and one celeb will win an event, it's great the way they've done it but it has nothing to do with structure or pros adapting, it's just that there's one allstar game and one free for all every day

this thread is funny b/c of how people pretend to know things about tournament poker that they learned from phil hellmuth and norm chad

all luck

No, no, I really do know things about tournament poker I learned from phil hellmuth and norm chad.

Where did you learn all your great knowledge, those Milwalkie beast cans with Phils snappy comebacks on them.

Like how to stick in half of your chips in, but dont call an ll-in, because you know you'll get aces in the next few hands. Thank you Hellmuth!

becuz they be knowing of the secret ldo

they wont be doing the telling though cuz yo man.... its a secret

more like learned them from your mom!

*high fives everyone around*

variance is awesome

dangeraw gimmick account?

plz refer to other posts as evidence