You dont need a huge team. Take wpt 500 as an example. There are a few hundred per flight. The odds you know someone at the end of a flight are high if youre a mid stakes reg.

I still don't understand why re-entry with best stack forward is any worse that re-entry without best stack forward. I feel that the potential for cheaters to move chips from one flight to another, etc. is just as likely in re-entry without best stack forward. I think the argument here is against re-entry, not best stack forward.

I must be missing something.

Bagging chips in this wpt and then re entering is lighting money on fire even if you plan on cheating

Multi Entry, Best Stack Advance and Re-Buy Events are and always have been rife with cheats and a playground for potential colluders

An analogous argument exists for any reentry tournament, but BSF is somewhat more favorable for cheaters since reentering with the possibility of having to forfeit a stack if you do well enough lights much less money on fire than forfeiting your stack in advance to take a second shot.

You aren't and you are correct because if you CANNOT REENTER if you have chips or are FORCED TO FORFEIT your chips can you envision other ways to game the system?

BTW, anyone know of any issues that could of possibly happened in the colossus with chips in four flights where you had to FORFEIT your chips to play the next flight? Of course our '"esteemed" poker watchdog has no comment about this because of his "deal" with the WSOP.

Ike put it best.

Only in best stack forward on a secondary flight, players have chips from a prior flight, and are put in a position where they have chips that will soon have no value.

They must either lose them to a friend who hasn't already advanced, smuggle some big chips to their prior stack, or start blind shoving to reach their prior stack.

None of these scenarios benefit a tournament and all impact tournament integrity.

The fact that Matt runs these events multiple times a year at commerce may explain his bias towards the format.

I disagree with Allen (and other's) assertion that BSF provides an increased incentive to cheat or play sub-optimally. I think the same or at least similar incentive exists for any re-entry format. The only question I would raise is, what is the actual benefit to the tourney to include BSF? In theory, it leads to more buy-ins. But if I remember correctly, last year Matt said only a miniscule number of people actually took advantage of BSF. Was it the same this year?

If only a handful of people (say less than .5%) actually take advantage of the format, is there really a need for it? I'd be willing to bet the number of people who are turned off of the tourney (for legitimate or illegitimate reasons) due to BSF, to some degree neutralizes it's effectiveness in making the prizepool larger.

discuss?

Not true. I rip wsop almost daily.m

As far as I can tell, the only major series Allen doesn't rip is PH. They run a good series, but are not without their warts, like all the others. I have to assume the reason Allen doesn't rip them is because of some backroom deal, or perhaps because the TD over there contorts his body to a degree which would make the performers at Cirque De Soleil grimace in order to acquiesce to Allen's point of view on a number of tourney-related issues.

I was only there for their charity event. Their structure and format met my approval. Cant comment on staff complaints. I wasn't there.

There are other venues that you don't play at all (never mind just a charity event) which have deeper structures that you have no problem ripping for this or that. I think your selective indignation is somewhat telling. Maybe there's nothing nefarious about it. But it is inconsistent and puzzling.

Wow, sounds like a terrible play to buy in to another day 1 if you've already advanced to day 2. Moronicly negative EV.

It seems like a lot of Chainsaw's concerns boil (pardon the pun) down to a tempest in a teapot.

In any case, this particular tempest would be quelled to a large degree if Matt let us know how many people actually took advantage of the BSF format. I imagine it is a miniscule number, primarily for the reason you suggested.

Hpt used it but has dropped the format. Wpt still uses it at some venues. Mspt and wpt deepstacks dont use it

Somehow matt convinced tab at borgata to switch all of their reentry events to bsf.

They also narrowly missed the guarantee in their last Event 1 at Borgata, so I'm wondering if they knew it was going to be a close call and wanted to go to BSF to try to hit it. Just conjecture on my part...

Apparently tab wizened up and didnt have that format for the wpt main event

solid bump chainsaw

how about new chips which set off an alarm when you walk past the exist with them. The same old technology you see in a shops to prevent theft.
I'd say it would be a minor investment if you compare that to the benefits and trust it will bring into the rec community.