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08-01-2014 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
in order to crush live nl you have to be:

1. perceptive
2. resilient
3. disciplined (wrt tilt)
4. combative/always willing to compete
5. social
6. sly
7. gambly (ok with huge wagers/swings)

If you are technically sound (or even technically excellent), but do not possess these traits, you will NOT make it. Going down the list: the ranges you assign will be way too wide/improperly weighted, you will get broken down emotionally, you will have costly/insurmountable blow-ups, you will pass up on profitable spots/concede money to those more alpha than you, you will not get the action you need from the people you most want it, your own ranges will be transparent, you will not be able to "play your game" in the big games where the real money is to be made...

I believe ^^^ has never really been acknowledged in the online vs live discussion. And a lot of these necessary live traits typically don't come naturally to those who excel at online poker (an extremely technical, mathematical, strategic game- with almost zero social qualifications). So yeah, the black friday takeover never really happened.

Having said that...

The few online guys who also possess the necessary traits to crush live poker (the guys mentioned itt plus a handful more I won't name) are certainly taking very significant pieces out of the live poker pie. And while they are almost always my favorite people at the table to talk to (and I usually become friends with them pretty quickly), financially speaking I wish they'd all just move to Canada or Mexico or wherever, live a much happier and healthier lifestyle, work way less hours, and from the comfort of their own baller pads... instead of selling their souls to the devil, working horrible/odd/long hours at these ungodly card rooms/casinos us lol live pros call "home".


Note: someone itt pm'd me asking for my win rate. While I would never divulge to a stranger/make it public (and lol @ drawing any real conclusions from one player's sample), I will say that black friday didn't hurt it at all. For every gman/prahlad that shows up, their are like 3 really smart/good online dudes who are unfortunately just going to get whacked.
I guess my life wasn't actually complete before dgaf dropped some wisdom on nvg
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08-01-2014 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
Im still around and youre still following me around. how my azz taste?
Everything he said is true, sick comeback.

Greek Steve is also "still around", so you're in good company with that accomplishment
08-01-2014 , 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by cheet
Everything he said is true, sick comeback.

Greek Steve is also "still around", so you're in good company with that accomplishment
Everything I said is true.

Doesnt it suck that from way way back til forever ill keep rolling out of bed around the crack of whenever, hitting the golf course, swinging by the casino, playing for a while grabbing a beer and having fun while you miserable ***** gotta crawl around behind me being angry? I love it.

Note for your schedules: I will arrive at bike at tomorrow at 2pm sharp after golf. I will take a big dump in the top section bathroom stall 1. Come by and take a big sniff since that seems to be what you guys like doing. Crawling around behind me and complaining how my azz smells.

Then join me in the PLO game. Ill buy you a beer!
08-01-2014 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
Everything I said is true.

Doesnt it suck that from way way back til forever ill keep rolling out of bed around the crack of whenever, hitting the golf course, swinging by the casino, playing for a while grabbing a beer and having fun while you miserable ***** gotta crawl around behind me being angry? I love it.

Note for your schedules: I will arrive at bike at tomorrow at 2pm sharp after golf. I will take a big dump in the top section bathroom stall 1. Come by and take a big sniff since that seems to be what you guys like doing. Crawling around behind me and complaining how my azz smells.

Then join me in the PLO game. Ill buy you a beer!
Lol you really believe you're some superstar and get hate because of that. You get hate because in addition to making some good points time to time, you say some stupid **** too and vehemently defend it.
08-01-2014 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cheet
Lol you really believe you're some superstar and get hate because of that. You get hate because in addition to making some good points time to time, you say some stupid **** too and vehemently defend it.
Hmmm, I owned the 10-20 winrates thread where everyone said i was wrong but i was 100% right and now in retrospect the morons who argued with me are nowhere to be found. I owned the online collusion portion of #2000 predicting the exact scandals to come and being flamed and now in retrospect the morons who argued with me are nowhere to be found. I owned the post black friday threads saying there would be NO flood of online players and those that came would have 0% effect on live poker or my winrate and now in retrospect the morons who argued with me are nowhere to be found.

Its just too easy. you idiots have no perspective. everything i post is correct and those in the know have learned to bet on it.

Thats why you follow me around and troll my posts and podcast and i dont give a damn who you are.

But heres the good news for you trolls! I will continue to win in the games and be around for decades to come! your jobs are safe!!!!!
08-01-2014 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by cheet
guy is one of the most annoying and classless regs
classless or not he can't win so paying for his coaching seems terribad
08-01-2014 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by moki
+1. David Chan is a beast, I loved his videos on CrushLivePoker.com -- I hope he makes more.
wat
08-01-2014 , 02:02 AM
<respectfully jumping off the Limon Bandwagon>

You are wrong about the maximum winrates in live poker. You are right about plenty of other stuff, but the way you talk to others make you a tough pill to swallow.

You can still like yourself plenty and not come across as incredibly condescending. See: every post ever made by DGAF.

Now exiting pissing match.

Last edited by gman06; 08-01-2014 at 02:11 AM.
08-01-2014 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
Hmmm, I owned the 10-20 winrates thread where everyone said i was wrong but i was 100% right and now in retrospect the morons who argued with me are nowhere to be found. I owned the online collusion portion of #2000 predicting the exact scandals to come and being flamed and now in retrospect the morons who argued with me are nowhere to be found. I owned the post black friday threads saying there would be NO flood of online players and those that came would have 0% effect on live poker or my winrate and now in retrospect the morons who argued with me are nowhere to be found.

Its just too easy. you idiots have no perspective. everything i post is correct and those in the know have learned to bet on it.

Thats why you follow me around and troll my posts and podcast and i dont give a damn who you are.

But heres the good news for you trolls! I will continue to win in the games and be around for decades to come! your jobs are safe!!!!!
When I read this post I pictured you with your eyes closed and your hands over your ears screaming it
08-01-2014 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by gman06
<respectfully jumping off the Limon Bandwagon>

You are wrong about the maximum amount of money that can be made in live poker. You are right about plenty of other stuff, but the way you talk to others make you a tough pill to swallow.

You can still like yourself plenty and not come across as incredibly condescending. See: every post ever made by DGAF.

Now exiting pissing match.
thats cool. im not lookin for anyone on my bandwagon. im gonna tell people what i wish someone in the game decades woulda told me in 1998. but im gonna do it my way. I like screwing with morons. its a weakness.


im wondering where i said there was a maximum? What i said was 100% true, that if you were making $240,000 a year in live 10-20nl you were in the top 1% of long term winning players ever to step foot in the commerce top section. was true in 2009, probably true now, maybe more true now.

Last edited by limon; 08-01-2014 at 02:50 AM.
08-01-2014 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by cheet
When I read this post I pictured you with your eyes closed and your hands over your ears screaming it
you picture me a lot am i clothed or naked? but i dont know what you look like cause your a silent stalker. take a sniff!
08-01-2014 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
you picture me a lot am i clothed or naked? but i dont know what you look like cause your a silent stalker. take a sniff!
I'm a worse looking version of you, but I have a good personality.
08-01-2014 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cheet
guy is one of the most annoying and classless regs
+1

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Originally Posted by moki
+1. David Chan is a beast, I loved his videos on CrushLivePoker.com -- I hope he makes more.
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Originally Posted by SuperTight36
classless or not he can't win so paying for his coaching seems terribad
I think his game is fine. He's def not as lag as his fake hhs on twitter, but who cares. My problem with him is how he acts like a tool at the table. He seat changes all the time to get position on fish even when fish are annoyed, talks down to fish and other regs, and always seems to be speaking in a condescending tone.
08-01-2014 , 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by limon
thats cool. im not lookin for anyone on my bandwagon. im gonna tell people what i wish someone in the game decades woulda told me in 1998. but im gonna do it my way. I like screwing with morons. its a weakness.


im wondering where i said there was a maximum? What i said was 100% true, that if you were making $240,000 a year in live 10-20nl you were in the top 1% of long term winning players ever to step foot in the commerce top section. was true in 2009, probably true now, maybe more true now.
Assuming 48 wks/year, 40 hours/week, live 10-20nl players are capped at just over a 6BB/hour winrate ? When you've already stated you aim for 12BB/hr and that achieving " 7BB/hr results in live "being as easy a game as any " ? When good live players who have the majority of their volume at 2-5 , 5-10, some 10-20 have hourlies of >100 ? When Shane beat the 10-20nl game for multiples of 6BB/hr and said we should disregard your winrate opinions, which themselves were based largely on completely wrong assumptions ?

Respond factually and not with your ******ed god complex Sideshow.

Last edited by jrtblake; 08-01-2014 at 07:35 AM.
08-01-2014 , 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jrtblake
Assuming 48 wks/year, 40 hours/week, live 10-20nl players are capped at just over a 6BB/hour winrate ? When you've already stated you aim for 12BB/hr and that achieving " 7BB/hr results in live "being as easy a game as any " ? When good live players who have the majority of their volume at 2-5 , 5-10, some 10-20 have hourlies of >100 ? When Shane beat the 10-20nl game for multiples of 6BB/hr and said we should disregard your winrate opinions, which themselves were based largely on completely wrong assumptions ?

Respond factually and not with your ******ed god complex Sideshow.
not capped ******. there was a tiny % in 2009 that made more, who knows now, wheres shane? find him and ask. and yes you should shoot for 10-20 win rates in your 5-10 game thats just how much softer they generally are with many games to select from. and yes I shoot higher than standard 10-20 win rates in my 5-5-10+ PLO game because PLO plays much bigger than HE. you still are a moron. stay stupid, the games will always be good.
08-01-2014 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
not capped ******. there was a tiny % in 2009 that made more, who knows now, wheres shane? find him and ask. and y]es you should shoot for 10-20 win rates in your 5-10 game thats just how much softer they generally are with many games to select from. and yes I shoot higher than standard 10-20 win rates in my 5-5-10+ PLO game because PLO plays much bigger than HE. you still are a moron. stay stupid, the games will always be good.
I'm such a moron/ ******

You state that 7BB / hr is "easy " then state that only 1 % can make more, even accounting for discrepancies between 5-10 and 10-20 PLOvsNLHE games this is utterly ridiculous Bob. Furthermore, why even play 10-20 if the attainable winrate in 5-10 is the same for you ? You invalidate your own point. The basis on which you formed the opinion that more wasn't achievable by more people in the other thread was by conflating the lifestyle of someone making probably $1 mill+ with someone making $240k, again ridiculous and also somewhat indicative as to your own level of success .

As such, I think I'll be agreeing with the opinion of Shane, 240k is doable at 10-20 live for a lot more than 1% of winning players. Keep up the random insults and god-complex though , you're impressing many many people.

08-01-2014 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rakes
lol have u played at the same table with david chan before?
No. Surprised by this. I knew about him though by his 2p2 name here and seemed like posters only said good things about him.
08-01-2014 , 01:45 PM
what limons figured out that a lot of younger guys have not is there is a lot more important things when it comes to making money in poker than actual poker skill.

Now you can't be a **** poker player and make money at it long term and you have to be an absolute beast to move all the way up to the super high stakes -something most of us don't have the mental capacity to do.But if you're halfway intelligent it isn't that hard to be good at poker. Once you're good the actual poker skill basically becomes secondary.

Of course the miserable anti social nits who berate fish, talk about hand ranges at the table,sit in ****ty games,play over their roll don't make nearly what they should base on their poker skill set. and most of them are better fundamental players than limon and way better than me.
Yet they can't figure out why they don't make more.They can tell me about a hand i played incorrectly that cost me 3 dollars in ev but will sit in awful games for 12 hours straight and never get invited to amazing home games.

I can see the same ****ing people grinding 5/10 in vegas after not being there for 3-6 months. except of course for the ones I see short stacking 2-5 or playing 1/3 who played 5/10 forever.Hell sometimes I even see guys discussing money or hands with their backers, and these are guys who have played 5-10 for years.
08-01-2014 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
Im still around and youre still following me around. how my azz taste?
Following you? I barely know anything about you other than whenever I see you in threads it just comes off as an old school washed up resentful bumhunter reg just spewing nonsense all over the place. I barely remember posting anything towards you but If you're under the impression I'm "following" you then the only explanation would be that your posts are so bad that anytime I happen to read them I can't help but lol and post to rile you up.

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Originally Posted by limon
Everything I said is true.

Doesnt it suck that from way way back til forever ill keep rolling out of bed around the crack of whenever, hitting the golf course, swinging by the casino, playing for a while grabbing a beer and having fun while you miserable ***** gotta crawl around behind me being angry? I love it.
Wait, a 40 year old live bumhunting reg that will be stuck grinding out his monthly nut maybe to his death in grungy casinos is under the impression his life is something to envy? This is what delusion, denial, and narcissism looks all rolled into one. Even most live regs would concede that a casino isn't exactly something to brag about needing to show up to everyday. I suppose it's still beyond your comprehension after all these years that there are people still good enough to win online that can enjoy a higher hourly with more freedom and flexibility. Just because you don't improve your game and have to constantly change games or move down in stakes due to the increasing difficulty of the games doesn't mean others are as well.

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Hmmm, I owned the 10-20 winrates thread where everyone said i was wrong but i was 100% right and now in retrospect the morons who argued with me are nowhere to be found.
You were owned in that thread...but keep the blinders on if you will. "No where to be found" = somewhere grinding away profits and not arguing with someone who thinks the live nl games are "so hard, so dead".

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I owned the online collusion portion of #2000 predicting the exact scandals to come and being flamed and now in retrospect the morons who argued with me are nowhere to be found
Not a single respected HSNL player came to your defense in that entire thread when you were called out. Blinders gonna blinder though.
08-01-2014 , 02:09 PM
I'm getting tired of seeing the title of the thread saying Bart Hanson is a bad poker player! He is obviously a sharp, intelligent, and well endowed poker player, but some people just can't understand that..

Is there any limit Hold Em videos on the site?

I saw the free videos... You're not a bad looking guy, Bart...
08-01-2014 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by boobies4me
Just because you don't improve your game and have to constantly change games or move down in stakes due to the increasing difficulty of the games doesn't mean others are as well.
Perhaps you missed the part where he indicated that he moved up from 10/20 NLHE to 5/10 PLO because, you know, "PLO plays bigger."
08-01-2014 , 02:20 PM
does it not?
08-01-2014 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DGAF
I will say that black friday didn't hurt it at all. For every gman/prahlad that shows up, their are like 3 really smart/good online dudes who are unfortunately just going to get whacked.
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Originally Posted by gman06
You can still like yourself plenty and not come across as incredibly condescending. See: every post ever made by DGAF.
I'm sensing a bromance emerging ITT. Going to request that Bart do a piece about how to handle bromances at the table, whether you're part of a bromance or whether you're caught between a couple of bros who keep raising each other, albeit lovingly and with immense respect for each other as players and bros.
08-01-2014 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 20th Level Ranger
Perhaps you missed the part where he indicated that he moved up from 10/20 NLHE to 5/10 PLO because, you know, "PLO plays bigger."
Don't forget, it's as easy as any game in the world to make 7BB/hr, I aim for 12 myself, but move up to 10/20 and 6BB means you're in the top 1 % although no HSNL regs have agreed with me !
08-01-2014 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Vegan
Bart Hanson is the winner... Everyone else has failed and you might wanna try going to some other thread... End of discussion...
fyp. clearly this and the other threads related to bart and his training site are spam.
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