it was the same recklessness of high living and covid riddled hookers that got him to the final table in the first place

that AK calldown was so awful

The real problem here is that, the rule is actually stupid and unfair, I guess the WSOP people did not wanted to think things properly and decided that. If you accept to play (You still are going to play the event even if that rule was stipulated) does not mean you can not fight and argue against an stupid rule that very unfortunately, is affecting you. So IMO He is/was in all his right to argue that decision.

People here are just too conformist with unbelievably crazy dumb rules.

What was dumb about it? What would of you suggested?

Don’t show up to a live event with covid seems pretty fair to all players, all he needed to do was not get covid....the other 8 ppl didn’t get it, they were probably careful as they should be, it’s a global pandemic don’t forget

This was discussed here for weeks in advance of the tournament. This EXACT scenario occurring and what would happen. Well documented. I had zero interest or care in playing and I knew that rule.

And because of that rule and how life-altering this could be, all precautions needed to be taken. You have to show up without Covid.

Unfortunately he made a mistake. It sucks. Beyond belief. But that was the agreement made when you entered the tournament. Just have to move forward. No choice.

The issue is people don't choose to get covid. Implying that someone got covid from being reckless is victim shaming. Plus if you knew the rate of false positives you'd be outraged that taking away equity like this is even a possibility.

If covid was a possibility that would cause problems for the event MAYBE THE ORGANIZERS SHOULD NOT HOST THE EVENT RATHER THAN PLACE THE UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS ON CONTESTANTS OR MAKE ACCOMIDATIONS IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS OCCURS.

His ICM at least or any other deal.

I'm not saying He demanded to play live with the other 8, that would be just crazy, but maybe other options as well like postpone it or play it online to keep it safe. Even if the WSOP would declined all his argues, I believe He has the right to argue the decision in the first place.

It doesn’t matter why. Nobody is shaming anyone.

The rule is 100.0% so clear that I knew them. A non-participant. That was the only rule I know because it was endlessly debated. Go find the thread.

It is actually pretty fair and well-thought out. It took into account this EXACT scenario. It makes sense.

He has the 2020 Covid story of a lifetime. Hard to top this one. Suck it up as a bad beat and move on in life. Complaining about a rule that everyone knew weeks before playing isn’t fruitful. They didn’t induce anyone. Just the opposite. They scared a lot of people away from registering.

I have never had covid, and I didn’t even have a million dollar event to be careful about. It was written in the conditions before and everyone knew the deal.

How about stay 6 feet away from ppl wear a proper mask and wash your hands. Stay away from crowds indoors. He should of been more careful. To bad so sad.

Effel is an absolute joke of a TD at least in my experience with rulings at the WSOP. All of the Crown TDs, Matt Savage, Danny McDonagh, there are so many decent TDs out there and yet the WSOP persist with the clown year after year

Not going to derail the thread with lol effel and wsop td stories, but the fact that this event ran this way in the first place and then ended up with a player being DQ'd for getting Covid is a travesty

Why wouldn't you play this event because this rule? Just bunker down for a month before FT, don't catch corona and ship the $200k+/8 added value if/when some idiot or two do get it.

edit: didn't know the FT was decided just two weeks ago apparently?

Is there any indication that Effel had anything to do with this event other than being responsible for running the live FT?

I have no idea how the WSOP is run in that regards but I would be surprised to hear he has any final say in decisions that should be made multiple pay grades above him by someone working closely with the legal department. "A travesty" would be to have the TD decide what happens if a player tests positive ahead of the live FT.

This should really trump everything else. The rules were clear, period.

Lol at Pads, you should have boycot the event from the day the terms were laid out if you didn't agree with them, not on the day the terms are being enforced.

I think if you get DQed you get nothing, nothing at all.The rules are speaking of elimination which is more precise.

Also I don't get why this should be Effel fault. Eiffel is enforcing rules and so far I've only see him enforce these rules fairly. Please tell me one example where he was unfair one time!

Yeah right, it's all Effels fault, everything. He made the rules which were clear and make sense, but regardless we have to blame someone. Someone's head has to be rolling so the mob is satisfied. So why is it not f Effels? Effel should have stopped the virus from contacting the player, and if he didn't stop it he should have put the player in a bubbleboy suit and let him play. /S

I have a solution: the wsop should find out how he contracted the virus. If the contraction was unavoidable, give him icm money but also state that this is an exeption. (People would abuse this rule in the future)

So how exactly should the rules be?

The rules cannot be any different imo.

The point is a corporation cannot exclude customers based on health issues simply because it is convenient to them. It doesn’t matter that this was stated if it is illegal. This is the whole basis of the ADA. It is an organizations responsibility to accommodate people with health issues not simply pass the liability on them.

I haven’t had Covid either. I know people who are incredibly reckless who haven’t had it and some that are incredibly careful that have. You aren’t special and somehow more deserving of stuff because you didn’t get Covid. Your just lucky.

so pads wants to know if people should sit out when the rules established prior to people voluntarily entering the event are followed to the letter? Lol, ok.

You do not get it. These are no customers. These are players, so you should think about it as a sports discipline. Please tell me in which sports discipline are the players allowed to participate in tournaments having Covid. That's right, none. Boxing, swimming, tennis, darts or bowling events. You cannot participate if you have covid. It's real simple, this is a fairly new virus. Nobody knows how to deal with it or what it does to you.

I don't know if the player is at fault here, it sux and I guess they could have put him in and let him play through a camera and not being physically present at the location though.

Happy Holidays

You don’t get covid because of luck. That’s not how it works. If he stayed home for 14 days prior and didn’t allow visitors he wouldn’t get “unlucky” and get covid.

If you go out in public not wearing a mask then maybe it’s about luck.

The only problem that I have with Effel's conduct in this matter is that he reportedly discouraged Pesh from going public with his positive test.

You can probably catch it rather unexpected. Its easy to say I'm not catching covid when I final table the wsop.

Postponement of the final table or turning it into a fully online event is not a reasonable accommodation.

So airlines can’t tell you not to fly if you have covid?

This year has changed a lot and you have no clue what you are talking about.

They put it in the TOS