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11-16-2008 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterLJ
MMA isn't close to boxing's peak in terms of payment. There were plenty of 20, 30 and 40 million guarantees for boxers. I would be absolutely surprised if any MMA fighter has ever been paid over a 1 million guarantee for a single fight.
Well, then be surprised because with PPV percentage bonuses guys like Chuck, Randy, and Tito have made over $1m for a fight.
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11-16-2008 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterLJ
It's sad though, boxing gloves are padded to actually take off something from the boxer. MMA gloves are only padded enough to stop fighters from breaking their hand every fight. We are going to see some really messed up old dudes as a product of MMA, and as a result, they will have been paid pennies on the dollar that boxers of the same calibre, were paid.
You have it ass-backwards. Boxers get hit in the head waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than MMA guys. Boxing gloves don't cushion the blow for the fighter receiving it. I mean, you're adding almost a pound of mass into the equation.
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11-17-2008 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Shichifukujin
To most people MMA is UFC. How many of the casual PPV watchers know about K1 or even knew about PRIDE before the buyout? I would guess at very few.
you would be surprise... you tap ufc on google or youtube and and you saw some other video and you'l end up finding vids of fedor and you keep searching and you'l know a lot about mma
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11-17-2008 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeyPatriot
Well, then be surprised because with PPV percentage bonuses guys like Chuck, Randy, and Tito have made over $1m for a fight.
Post skimming noob =P. Read like my 3rd to last post.

But yeah, I guess I never thought above gloves adding weight to the equation. I still fully expect 90% of them to be drooling on themselves by 65.
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11-17-2008 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterLJ
I still fully expect 90% of them to be drooling on themselves by 65.
pshhh, randy will still be fighting when hes 65.
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11-17-2008 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
No MMA fighter is getting that kind of money.
ur a ******.
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11-17-2008 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeyPatriot
You have it ass-backwards. Boxers get hit in the head waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than MMA guys. Boxing gloves don't cushion the blow for the fighter receiving it. I mean, you're adding almost a pound of mass into the equation.
Sounds like you're the minority here who actually understands mma.

Whats ur mma.tv handle?
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11-17-2008 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles3Mil
yeah but the fulltilt one was clearly the biggest... I say at least 150k... what is 150k to fulltilt anyway?
The amount of rake ive paid to them this year
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11-17-2008 , 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by MasterLJ

It's sad though, boxing gloves are padded to actually take off something from the boxer. MMA gloves are only padded enough to stop fighters from breaking their hand every fight. We are going to see some really messed up old dudes as a product of MMA, and as a result, they will have been paid pennies on the dollar that boxers of the same calibre, were paid.
If you knew anything about MMA or boxing you would know that actually the opposite is true. Boxing produces far more serious brain Trauma than MMA

Edit-oops Mikeypatriot beat me to it

Last edited by knowewww; 11-17-2008 at 06:37 AM. Reason: Im late
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11-17-2008 , 01:02 PM
A former teammate of mine who lives and trains in Portland knows Randy pretty well. He claimed that with the new deal that Randy renegioiated (since he spent a year and half unsuccesfully trying to get out of his old deal...to fight Fedor) could bring him between $5 and $7 million total if the PPV numbers are good enough.
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11-17-2008 , 01:23 PM
What everyone said about injuries in MMA is correct. An MMA fighter is much more likely to recieve smaller injuries like broken hands, torn ligaments and broken ribs, but they are much less likely to develop serious brain damage or long term lasting injuries.

The main reason for this isn't the gloves but the amount of head punches in a fight. I don't remember the numbers exactly but an average 3-round mma fight the fighters get hit in the head 65ish times. In an average 12-round boxing match the fighters get hit in the head 200 times.

I know fighters on the under card get as little as 6k/6k for a fight. Silva got paid 800k to get choked out by Fedor in less than a minute. Fedor got 200k+ an undisclosed % of the revenue. I think it probably ended up in the area of 1.2 mil to 1.5 mil.
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11-17-2008 , 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by knowewww
If you knew anything about MMA or boxing you would know that actually the opposite is true. Boxing produces far more serious brain Trauma than MMA

Edit-oops Mikeypatriot beat me to it
this
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11-17-2008 , 04:58 PM
MMA fighters aren't hard done by pay wise either. The elite boxers get more money than MMA fighters but the low/mid level boxers get paid about the same (or less) as low/mid MMA guys. Check out some boxing cards, you'll see guys getting 1k a fight on the undercards.
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11-17-2008 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
No MMA fighter is getting that kind of money.

I can't speak for UFC but I know for a fact Fedor was getting 1-2mil for big fights when PRIDE was still around.
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11-17-2008 , 05:10 PM
I dunno guys...the wily veteran does everything possible to win only to lose it all to a lucky shot from a newbie donk who didn't deserve to be going for the title in the first place?

I think that repped Poker pretty well.
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11-17-2008 , 10:17 PM
As soon as I saw the FTP logos, I knew Randy was going to get a bad beat.
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11-17-2008 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by EGarrett
I dunno guys...the wily veteran does everything possible to win only to lose it all to a lucky shot from a newbie donk who didn't deserve to be going for the title in the first place?

I think that repped Poker pretty well.


Please give me a break. Couture is old and overrated.

Lesnar pretty much dominated him in every encounter.
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11-17-2008 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterLJ
Post skimming noob =P. Read like my 3rd to last post.

But yeah, I guess I never thought above gloves adding weight to the equation. I still fully expect 90% of them to be drooling on themselves by 65.
Think about how many trauma to the head shots a boxer takes in one 12-round fight (let alone something like Ali-Frazier for 15 back in the day), and look at how many head shots an MMA fighter takes in a bout - the lighter gloves mean more cuts, bruises, etc., but most of those older MMA guys can string sentences together well b/c a couple good shots and you're done - exterior damage and interior damage are two qualitatively different things - not that it's not still very dangerous...
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11-18-2008 , 12:03 AM
This calls for a photoshop thread of Full Tilt logos showing up in the most random and inappropriate places.

Example, I'd love to see one on Barack Obama's lapel as he was delivering the presidential acceptance speech.
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11-18-2008 , 12:13 AM
Some things to remember:

For an up-and-coming fighter, even a T.U.F. winner, you're getting peanuts to fight. You're making $500 (or less) to appear in a small promotion, and if you're lucky enough to be a TUF winner, your "six figure" contract is 16.6k each for three fights a year over two years for a total of 100k.

Real money is in sponsorship and appearance/gym fees. Do you know how much even a mid-tier fighter can make giving a seminar? Do you know how many wannabes will roll with someone who's been in the UFC for a couple hundred an hour? How many "students" will sit and listen to you at a $100 class on a Saturday afternoon?

The problem is that you've still got to pay YOUR staff. Nutritionists aren't free. Striking coaches aren't free. Your own trainers aren't cheap.

Big name fighters are finally starting to get big money. Lesnar stands to make a fortune on his name alone. Kimbo (despite being a joke) got paid a ton. Fedor can name his price. Recognizable names -- despite being a good fighter anymore -- like Tito Ortiz still make big money (a quarter million - before bonuses and percentages at his last fight). They're not getting the giant paydays that SUPER top-end boxers make, but they're getting paid...finally.

...but there's a gap. If you're not a TOP, TOP fighter in a TOP league (or at least the circus freakshow draw that Kimbo was), then you're getting PEANUTS. You'd make more working at In and Out Burger for $400 a week instead of getting your face beat in for $500 each weekend and having to pay for an x-ray and a stich or two.
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11-18-2008 , 12:19 AM
FWIW, here are the fighter payouts for the event (before taxes and ****):

Brock Lesnar: $450,000 (includes $200,000 win bonus)
def. Randy Couture: $250,000

Kenny Florian: $80,000 ($40,000 win bonus)
def. Joe Stevenson: $35,000

Dustin Hazelett: $28,000 ($14,000 win bonus)
def. Tamdan McCrory: $10,000

Gabriel Gonzaga: $110,000 ($55,000 win bonus)
def. Josh Hendricks: $8,000

Demian Maia: $40,000 ($20,000 win bonus)
def. Nate Quarry: $25,000

Aaron Riley: $8,000 ($4,000 win bonus)
def. Jorge Gurgel: $10,000

Jeremy Stephens: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)
def. Rafael dos Anjos: $4,000

Mark Bocek: $18,000 ($9,000 win bonus)
def. Alvin Robinson: $7,000

Matt Brown $16,000 ($8,00O win bonus)
def. Ryan Thomas: $3,000

Riley, Gurgel, Stevens and Hazelett got 60K bonuses for fight, knockout and submission of the night respectively. Anyway we can use these number to help guestimate Couture's FTP payoff? Probly not.
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11-18-2008 , 12:22 AM
Gabriel Gonzaga: $110,000 ($55,000 win bonus)
def. Josh Hendricks: $8,000


Aaron Riley: $8,000 ($4,000 win bonus)
def. Jorge Gurgel: $10,000

lmao
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11-18-2008 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by The Palimax
Big name fighters are finally starting to get big money. Lesnar stands to make a fortune on his name alone.
Lesnar already made a fortune in the WWE.
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11-18-2008 , 12:58 AM










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11-18-2008 , 01:01 AM
i didnt want to lol, but i did
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