i think ur smarter than u lead on. so i will just ignore.

IS

Foucault was the only person who asked me about it while I was at the table the entire 3 days I was wearing the patch. Had I known what I know now after reading all those longs threads, I would've changed my decision but it all happened so quickly after finding out I was on the feature table with Phil Hellmuth 30min before the day started. And once I committed to wearing it I wasn't going to take it off. After sifting through the threads it seems like this is all stuff from the past and I'd like to think UB will do their best to rectify their situation but if something is found out to be after the new owners took over, well then game over. One thing I did want to add that hasn't been mentioned on the topic is put yourself in their shoes. While it might not be ethically or morally right unfortunately business ethics is a bit of an oxymoron. From a business standpoint if you know something that will effectively destroy your multi-million dollar business would you let it out to the general public? I am not standing up for UB by any means because clearly they are in the wrong but I can understand why things went the way they did.

P.S. please be easy on me I just busted the Main Event. Frown.

i do agree i shouldnt argue with tards. but im bored as usual.

what if the ub wearers feel that the money ub invests in them is less than the money ub will get in return.

then, in fact, these patriots are contributing to ubs downfall.

and, given the razor thin ev plays that these superstars are not only capable of but also likely to make, i feel that we should allow them these young geniuses the benefit of making their own decisions.

further, i think we should applaud these fellow compatriots for their contribution to the cause.

you ARE the tard. dude, at least in this specific case.

commend you. took man to say that. there is no"old" and "new" ownership by the way. and, yes, that is a fact that has been proven and will be all over th media in the next coming weeks or months.

even if you are able to seperate the old ownership from the new ownership, which most people dont believe is the case, you still have to acknowledge the fact that the new ownership has handled this horribly. the entire investigation should be handled by an independent 3rd party. their investigation is a joke!

+1 x 100 / 0.000001 = big number

fair enough. but what 3rd party would be able to investigate? im sincerely asking because i dont know.

i dont know the answer to that question, i just assumed there would be a few choices. there are plenty of companies that are independent auditors of online gaming companies. i would think they would be suited to handle the task. maybe im wrong, hopefully someone with more knowledge of the industry can answer this.

glad you posted here Roothlus. I was really disappointed that you wore UB gear.

UB really dropped the ball on this one

LOL? I guess I had that kind of faith in people before tilts bots and APs stuff proved me wrong.

Mark

Roothlus - a stand-up post from a stand-up guy. I too was disappointed when I heard you were wearing UB logos. Props for posting your side of the story and congrats on a deep run (I know all too well the pain of busting deep in an event, although not on the scale of the WSOP ME).

Since you can't un-wear the patches, is it too late to go the Rizen route and resign?

I think we should verbally harrass them in front of ESPN. It will be the only way word gets out to the non-2+2 masses. Maybe, if someone did, it would get Lon McCarren to speak out on this or at least joke about Hellmuth's corrupt sponsors.

Moreover, why don't we protest pokernews, gambling911 and pokerlistings continued promotion of UBs advertising for these cheaters?

Phil deserves everything you could throw at him. Tiffany/Annie, if they want to stand up for these criminals and support that brand, be prepared to answer a load of questions at the tables. If it takes away from your game or distracts you, that's intentional. Have UB refund those taken advantage of or shut the site down. We won't stop until one of those two paths have been taken.

I recommend going one step further and asking ESPN to edit yourself out or at least grey out the patches.

OP here. I just wanted to address a few follow up points.

First, the only reason I singled out Roothlus was that I happen to see a picture of him wearing UB gear. It was definitely not a knock on him personally, so I hope he didnt take it that way. By him taking the time to respond to the post I think speaks for his character.

To one of the original responses, I wasnt advocating harassing players in regards to their UB relationship or connections. Rather try and engage them in a civil manner and see what or if they know anything.

gg Roothlus fwiw.

~The Chad

You shouldn't give them a hard time personally.

You should POLITELY inform them of what is up, and that you are just letting them know in case they wanted to avoid their name getting wrapped up with this mess.

I played with Rizen at the WSOP while he had his UB gear on. I had a polite conversation with him and told him I didn't support his choice in the matter.

I don't see any point in 'harassing' people about it.

great idea. i wonder if they would do that.

good posts, i agree.

Well that might not be true if you see Phil, Annie, or Russ Hamilton.

Oh and for the poster that said people didn't harass Dutch... You should read some of the 2+2 threads from back then. He owed (owes) a lot of people money.

I would consider the above to be the correct way to deal with it, including if you just hear about someone playing on the site. Politely inform them of the situation and question their actions, but vilifying them achieves nothing and arguing with the extremist point of view merely makes you look like either a madman or an idiot.

See below:

Note where this guy has taken a point that the person being sponsored is getting paid and that in poker where everyone is out for themselves there is nothing wrong with that.

What this guy has done is extrapolated to the extreme, where advertising a shady company is equal in moral standing to selling drugs to children and murdering people for money.

Also note that he is comparing the superuser cheating to the holocaust. This is a clear sign that someone has no grip on reality where stealing money is equatable to murdering millions of people in a mass genocide.

The funny thing is that 60 minutes story will come out right before the WSOP is aired (I believe). So when people are watching the UB players on ESPN, the scam will be fresh in their mind.

For the record, someone like Ruthlus who wore patches briefly for UB is very different to Hellmuth/Duke who have been with the company since the beginning and had ownership stakes in one form or another. Bax would fall in the middle, a week or so ago i would have said he was worse than Hellmuth/Duke, but now im not so sure, they definitely should have done more over the years imo.

Good point - will be interesting. I wonder what Harrahs'/ESPN's position will be if the UB stink threatens to carry over to their Main Event cash cow??

Some things can't be washed off, even by Milwaukee's "Beast" Light.