What I want to know is who has been responsible for this investigation and who is taking charge in bringing these scum to justice? It sickens me to think these fraudsters will just walk away scott free.

You are.

Go to it and report back.

You do realize that they don't WANT IT TO WORK. The people who passed the UIGEA did so at the behest of B&M, Indian tribes and "I am my brother's keeper" conservatives.

They don't WANT online gambling to work. The only reason you are still able to play is that the finance industry has more weight political weight than casinos and bible-thumpers combined. The banking industry basically rebelled against the unfunded mandate that was the UIGEA and that rendered it unenforceable.

You strike me as troll in dire need of attention. That's really sad that your that pathetic.


The honorable Barry Greenstein mentioned in an interview that he knew that Chiip Reese played multiple accounts so players wouldn't recognize his screen name. Barry just looked the other way, and didn't warn Reese that he would report him to the site if he continued to play multiple accounts.

Barry digs and defends Freddie Deeb, a known degenerate gambler who has a significant police record. I am not a proficient poker player or gambler, and I just do not respect those who cheat, and support cheaters, no matter how talented they are. Barry Greenstein may be a God to some of you, but to me, he is just another guy who covers up the truth, although he is an outstanding poker player.

DO NOT COMPLETELY TRUST ANY ONLINE POKER SITE OR GAMBLING SITE

Many of you who post make a lot of money playing poker online, and will probably continue to be successful, in spite of the scandals, as long as on-line poker isn't banned. So I would recommend that you take all of this with a grain of salt, and just try to protect your funds, as best you can, when you play online. It is very serious, but many of you will continue to make a lot of money playing poker.

The eat my poop line is humor associated with my screen name dog. Freddie would not literally eat poop, but he has a history with illegal, high priced recreational drugs, which is not an activity I admire. Compared to Freddie, one of my least favorite entertainers, Britney Spears, is almost a Saint.

The few times I saw Deeb play on TV, I really enjoyed watching him play, but in my opinion his ethics are below those of Barry Bonds.

That is my opinion, to which I am entilted. Right now UB is in the news as the most corrupt online gambling site, but I can assure you that there is some monkey business going on at other sites that has not been publicized.

If the moderators do not like my posts, they can feel free to delete them.

I'm really not sure this isn't a blind alley - maybe someone who uses sports bookies will know more, it's completely outside my experience. It could be that Triple D just use Lvc as a mail drop in USA.

However, googling gives that Triple D seems to have/may have previously been called Bluegrass:

http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mes...portsbook.html (and a couple of other similar posts in other forums).

Bluegrass's site (http://www.betbg.com) is now offline, however these review sites (which prima facie look ok) aren't complimentary about that concern:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/SR.aspx?s=Bluegrass
http://www.joewager.com/sportsbook-reviews/b.htm

A Doug Booth is listed there as "owner and operations manager". Daniel Green, Doug Booth. ... at a long stretch 2 of the 3 "D"s ?????

But, as I say, I don't see how to make much of a connection to UB.

I've been trying to find info on betddd.com as well. I can't find anything relevant on Daniel Green in association with any sort of gambling or sports betting. He doesn't seem to exist even though he is the registrant.

When looking at the archived website of tripledsports.com, I looked at the HTML code on the "contact us" page where you could type in a question and it points to bluegrass@TripleDsports.com so I am assuming you're correct about the company being bluegrass before triple d.

At one time Bluegrass was one of the biggest credit shops offshore that agents used to have their clients bet through then the agent would settle up with the client when a settle up figure was reached,they also operated as a postup shop but was more known for being a credit shop.

The people behind the old Bluegrass have a new book called

www.betsportsweb.com

BETDDD.COM is very likely a credit shop IMO

Guys, this is just a warning to you all.

It's fine to keep investigating mr Makar and his companies looking to connect him to people of interest in this scandal. I would suggest you keep all information about him that doesn't particularly pertain to the ultimatebet deal to yourself for the time being. It's one thing to out the owners of UB, it's another thing to start publicly disclosing information about offshore bookmaking operations. This is not necessarily aimed at the people who posted above me, butI can see this getting all kind of sidetracked, and you don't want to get into things that could involve some form of organized crime.

Please support these statements with evidence and not conjecture. (The statements I am referring to are those of Freddy Deeb cheating anyone)

This is totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. That said, please post evidence to support these claims. It is very irresponsible to make accusations without support, no matter how irrelevant it is.

You're totally entitled to your opinions, but what you have stated are not opinions. They are accusations; not supported by evidence. Please, I beg, back up your allegations with factual proof.

btw, you're still a troll, derailing this very important thread with your trollish trollitudes, and I will respond to you no longer.

p.s Troll! (...too much?)

Do these look like legit businesses to you?

Some of the text from the about us pages of these 2 sites are lifted directly from a more legit looking site:
http://www.lasvegasit.com

(whois info is completely different)

The lvcmain and lvcwest look like web pages for some kind of bogus money laundering type front. No way these are the web pages of someone genuinely seeking business on the web. These look like the websites of criminals, with text stolen from a real computer retail business's website.

Edit: These first 2 websites appear to be hosted in Burnaby, BC. Why host your lv based computer business with a webhost in British Columbia, Canada? These people are shady mcgrady

think ya rite about that.

yeah wow, dog is out of control. those posts might need to be deleted. please try to keep this thread about evidence and not about your personal opinions and accusations. the thread gets so long so fast, mostly from people arguing their theories or stating their opinions. its ok to argue your theories, but to go back and forth over and over is way too much and just makes it harder for the important information to get out there.

and remember freddy has agreed to come on 2p2 podcast!!! give the man the benefit of the doubt, no one else in the scandal has agreed to do this. innocent until proven guilty, especially if you are willing to comment in public on the issue.

p.s. anyone who reads Russ G's posts can tell his statements need to be taken with a grain of salt. ill be nice and just say he is a very, very interesting character.

gosh darn it, i dearly can't stand these point-by-point counterpoints that use misleading soundbites and dubunk lack of evidence with lack of evidence. Let's just give it a rest.

People who accuse people: pls stop it. It's not our job to prosecute (yours nor mine). We were too busy or too dumb or too lazy to go to law school and get the JD necessary to do that. So, give it a REST.

People who respond to (above) people who randomly accuse people: stop being lazy and present your opinion in cogent, editorialized fashion and not resort to the little games of using the vBuleting quote feature to soundbite ed-ops while repeating "where's your evidence." It is BORING and your posts are oftentimes more irritating that the original post to which you're reacting. And, yes, I have no evidence that you are boring me other than you are boring me.

I had played at UB a lot a few years ago and I am not really sure if I ever got cheated or not. I had never really played higher than 5/10 and for the most part played lower than that but I decided to email them today and see what they would say.

Here it is.

Thank you for contacting us at Ultimate Bet.

Here is an explanation of what happened:

• On January 12, 2008, UB was alerted to suspicious play on the part of an account named NioNio. UB launched an investigation and locked down the NioNio
account as well as several other related accounts. On February 5, 2008, our investigation led to the discovery of unauthorized code on our servers that had allowed specific accounts to view other players’ hole cards during live play.

• Tokwiro, itself victimized by this fraud, is currently reviewing its legal options in this situation.

• Upon discovery, the unauthorized code was immediately removed. The investigation continued until all the details of the fraud were known and until technical solutions and policies were put in place to ensure that it could never happen again.

• UB is in the process of reimbursing players who were victims of unfair advantage for their losses, and has released a thorough statement on the findings of the investigation.

• The investigation involved the Kahnawake Gaming Commission, third-party audits, gaming and statistical experts who examined millions of hand histories
going back more than three years, and programming experts who examined enormous amounts of software code. It was the most thorough investigation possible. We preferred to take a little longer if necessary in order to completely understand and repair any holes in our system that allowed any unfair advantage. UB and the KGC were in complete agreement that no lesser measures would be acceptable.

• Our third-party expert auditors and our contracted software developers have gone over every line of code on our servers. They conclude – and the KGC has accepted their conclusion – that all of the unauthorized code was removed..

• Anyone who played a hand in which any of the accounts identified as having had an unfair advantage – NioNio, Sleepless, NoPaddles, nvtease, flatbroke33, ilike2win, UtakeIt2, FlipFlop2, erick456, WhackMe44, RockStarLA,
stoned2nite, monizzle, FireNTexas, HeadKase01, LetsPatttty, NYMobser, and WhoWhereWhen – during the time period in which the scheme was perpetrated, March 7, 2006 through December 3, 2007, can be assumed to have been victimized
by the fraud and is eligible for refunds of net losses

• UB believes that we have identified all of the affected players and perpetrator accounts, but remains open to consideration of new documented claims and findings.

• UB expects that all refunds will be processed by June 30, 2008. If you are eligible for a refund and have not received it by that time, or if you have a claim that you believe UB is not aware of, please contact pokersecurity@ultimatebet.com.

• In the wake of this incident, UB is one of the safest and most secure online poker sites on the internet. UB fully recognizes the damage that the fraud has done to its reputation, and is committed to making sure that nothing like this ever happens again.

• UB has installed state-of-the-art technology, including a new dedicated Security Center, for this purpose. Gaming mathematicians, poker professionals, and security software developers have all contributed to the requirements for
the new Security Center.

• UB has thoroughly examined and revamped its account policies, and brought in outside experts to advise it in security matters.


• We appreciate your understanding and loyalty and are committed to ensuring that our customers will find the safest, most honest, and most enjoyable online poker rooms on the internet.

As you can see, we went through any possible procedure there is in order to ensure this investigation was as thorough as possible. We hope that this explanation suffices your expectations, and please don’t hesitate to contact
us back if you should have any further comments or questions.

Best Regards,
P.A.
Security Department
Ultimate Bet

Doug Booth is well known around the poker circuit and Daniel Green is a made up name. Do you really think someone is going to have real names on whois info with the the DOJ busting bookies left and right? Everyone offshore uses made up names for the most part. The last names are usually Johnson.

These threads could use some heavy moderation IMO to keep us on point and effective. A lot of the information posted got missed and "discovered" later because the original information was buried by these long winded yambags and their paragraphs of nothingness. These people ruin the hard work of good people with noble agendas.

Since I'm sure it was missed, I'd like Beanie to tell us if it's true that Annie Duke was about to leave the UB brand and join FTP? I bet she could name her price now at UB. Those other internet people that got deals probably got a raise too.

Can someone tell me when UB finally allowed hand histories written to your hard drive? I can't remember when they finally made hard drive HHs happen, but they were late to the game, if I recall correctly.

Does anyone remember the software updates? Or even a stab in the dark to the oldest recorded HH?

Basically, was UB slow to the hard drive hand histories for a reason? What ownership/period did the software updates go through under?

yeah cut it out dog. save it for after if there is ever an after. nobody has anything against freddie deeb. we're name dropping FD way too much all over the cyberworld. reputations are sometime made or crushed by association alone so let's pls. cut it out.

OK looking for some clarification and seeing what Ive missed


Becky Bakar and Charles Moore - What is their connection besides parents/stepparent of Travis Bakar?


Wasn't their a Peirson or someone with a name close to that pretty far entrenched in this saga? If so, what is his full name and association?

Which Fred David is our Fred David? Fredric J David (spouse Shelia L) or Fred David (spouse Lynne)


Here are what I figure are the major players so far. Who am I missing?

Russel Hamilton
Fred David
Travis and Lauren Bakar
Haim and Eli Bajayo



Was Exscapa/UB/Blast off called Game(img) Theory something before Exscapa?

Posted above:

Triple D Sports began in the summer of 1993 bringing many smaller bookmaking operations together under one roof. Together the men behind Tripled D Sports have over a century of experience both onshore and offshore in the wagering business. The knowledge they bring to the table ensures that your wagering experience will be enjoyable and hassle free.

Address
4444 West Craig Road #116
Las Vegas NV 89032 US
Lvc of Nevada Inc.
(phone/fax removed)

From the whois on lvcmain.com. http://whois.domaintools.com/lvcmain.com

Registrant:
LVC OF NEVADA INC.
4444 WEST CRAIG ROAD #116
LAS VEGAS, NV 89032
US

Domain name: LVCMAIN.COM

Administrative Contact:
MAKAR, TRAVIS
4444 WEST CRAIG ROAD #116
LAS VEGAS, NV 89032
US
(phone # removed)

However, I agree with Joey, this sportsbook stuff doesn't affect us. I couldn't care less if they cheat people (even though that's hard to keep hidden in sportsbooks unless you're actually altering games) or do whatever they do with sportsbooks... not our problem.

The issue is whether Travis Makar was involved in the cheating at UB and, if so, how. It's already been told to multiple people that he was close with Russ and a former software guy there -- we're not sure yet if it goes beyond that.

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I'd love it to be my job to hunt down these scum and bring them to justice, but unfortunately it isn't. So again I ask who is responsible for bringing these scumbags to justice? Someone pays me a salary and gives me some kind of legal authority and I'd work nonstop to hunt them down. But that surely is the governments job not mine.

FYP and added one more.

Edit: Also I think at one point it was called something like Game Theory, and it was posted in the thread.

I get the matching whois info I was just saying the websites were copy jobs from another website and basically bogus.

I am not sure why everyone is posting the sportsbook related stuff. The bookies are way more honest than the poker operators because it is impossible to fake a final score. Also, if you ask around, you'll find that this is a credit book that may have many agents. You can't even go to that website and make a deposit. If these people happen to be agents then I don't have a problem with it as long as they pay people.

https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices...dp7Q%253d%253d

Status revoked for not submitting a list of officers.

Business Entity Information
Status: Revoked on 8/1/2006 File Date: 7/23/1997
Type: Domestic Corporation Corp Number: C15811-1997
Qualifying State: NV List of Officers Due: 7/31/2005
Managed By: Expiration Date:
Foreign Name: On Admin Hold: Yes

Formed in 1997.

In addition, Russell W Hamilton is listed as an officer in three Nevada corporations:

https://esos.state.nv.us/SoSServices...0UMA%253d%253d

https://esos.state.nv.us/SoSServices...rE6w%253d%253d

https://esos.state.nv.us/SoSServices...Jqcg%253d%253d

I don't really see much interesting stuff there, but it's worth noting I suppose.

The Buckeye, LLC thing rings a bell... Did someone post about that before and I forgot about it?

Before I quote this I just wanted to say that it comes from an RGP post where I was ripping on Russ/gca for not knowing about the UB stuff. I mentioned a post that talked about some names from the '80s. A lot of the UB people seems to be old school players from the late '70 early '80s.

I know all of you say that russ/gca has no credibility but he makes a good point that your idols like Brunson, Reese, Hellmuth, and Cardplayer said poker cheating was almost eliminated. Did the just come out of retirement to create UB in 2002? I doubt it.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.g...599e1d2?hl=en&


RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Jul 14, 3:27 am

Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
From: "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jul 14 2008 3:27 am
Subject: Re: GCA clueless/lying as usual -- Russ Hamilton cheating account owner -- gca said Hamilton is one of the good guys

Yes, but you must have missed all those posts stating all the cheats
were gone from the games. Card Player Mag, Doyle and everyone else
said this, yet now you're stating these guys never left? Not only
didn't these guys ever leave, they kept on playing at the Horseshoe,
Mirage and Bellagio. You know their last names, as do I.

Do you mean to tell me, that Chip, Doyle, Jack Binion, Bob Stupak and
the rest of the 'haha' poker elite didn't know these guys never left?
They stated cheating had left poker, now you state it never left? For
as you state, these guys never left and always played.


Russ H. won the 1994 WSOP Main Event. You're basically calling all the
poker elite LIARS, since they all state the cheating was cleaned up.
What did all these guys do bewtween the time you state and about 2002
when these sites became active?


Now, if the mags lie, if the 'haha Icon's lie, then cheating is right
there.


Russ Georgiev