That's really not true. When a bill passes money doesn't stop flowing, you have to continuously protect and further push your interests in this country.

Stop fear mongering in here, you're drawing conclusions without evidence.

Bots aren't that big of a deal in reality, the real sites have been stopping them for awhile now, it's the smaller, less accountable, more casino minded "rake rape" sites that turn the blind eye.

No regulated, US advertising, big fish bait, large casino site is going to want to be associated with bots.

Plus you'll have to be playing from inside the US on federal regulation, so accountability will be much higher, with or without heavy "laws" against botting.

It's probably theft under any legislation that doesn't specifically allow botting anyways, and that should be enough, combined with real security teams (like PokerStars has!) to pretty much make the bot issue you are all talking about a nonissue indeed.

That's not to say that bots can't get through PokerStars or another competent site security's wall, it may always be a battle between the two, but probably one regulated American casinos can win without much worry.

The OnGame and iPoker type bot graphs are scary, but this will likely be a much different environment that we will (hopefully) see regulation prevail in.

It looks as though its just a matter of time before regulation. It looks like the big problem is how are they going to divide the profits.

Guess who's graph that is. It's a group of bots currently crushing mid and high stakes 100bb 6-max NL Hold'em (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...ngame-1112918/). That's only on ongame. The same group of bots are also operating on Party, iPoker and were operating on Full Tilt.

Bots have improved exponentially over the past years and are continuing to improve. They are now showing better earn rates than the vast majority of human regs at midstakes. If something isn't done about this these bots will destroy online poker being played for meaningful amounts of money. Actually, even for insignificant amounts of money. Pumping out $5 an hour at $0.01/$0.02 is a pretty appealing option for a country like Belarus where the minimum wage is $0.47 and the average monthly salary is around $300. Speaking of Belarus, they're now the 13th largest country poker volume wise, and the only country of all the top 20 countries with an overall positive earn rate (http://www.pokertableratings.com/top-countries). Funny, that.

For all these politicians against it for moral or ethical reasons here is what I have to say. People who love the game are going to play. They use to be able to sit in the comfort of their own home, bring $10 to a small cash game or tourney and have some fun and play. Now they have to go to the local casino, risk hundreds of dollars per night in order to play, and also risk getting robbed on their way out.

Not sure if kidding or doesn't realize he really is African-American.

You guys had me laughing with your analysis of the native american guy (stevens). I'm looking forward to a replay for comedic relief.

Did anyone record this? I wasn't able to watch and I would love some good bedtime viewing.

edit never mind-- it's up on cspan

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Members...g/10737425016/

PM Michael of NJ!

I would think it would be listed on their 990 return which is public information.

For any non-profit company you can go to guidestar.org and search the name. This will give you info on the company as well as their 990 tax return. It is currently only updated through 2009.

Here is their guidestar page. http://www2.guidestar.org/organizati...-alliance.aspx

I looked at the 990 return, because I do the accounting for a non-profit and fill out these returns every year.

I noticed that no one filled out Part VII of the return "Compensation for Officers, Directors, Trustees, Key Employees, Highest Compensated Employees, and Indipendent Contractors"

So where his salary should be listed publically it is not.

But they did fill out the basic financials at the bottom. Their total salaries expense for 2009 is $519,159

I'll take on anybody's bot HU if they agree to play for a certain amount of hands, for any amount of money.

Because once I find one situation that I can exploit, I will over and over again, because it's a bot. To think it's smarter than you or will always beat you is ridiculous. If you suspect playing vs a bot, beating it is easy:

• Do not vary the size of your bets and raises
• If you get "bluffed (or suspect that)" by the bot, mark the situation
• Next time same situation comes up and you have it, play the same
• Exploit bot continually like you would vs a real human
• If bot continues losing to you, doesn't stand up from table when losing, doesn't respond to chat, continues to lose, then when the table breaks, stays until a new table fills up

It's probably a bot

Email support = account closed.

More importantly, why the HELL haven't these clients figured out how to stop outside processes from interacting with the program? There are TONS of human verification methods that could be put in place.

I don't know, that's probably not the best explanation of how to beat a bot, but like I said:


If anybody has three stacks of high society and a really good bot they want to put up against me, I'd take the deal any day.

Shameless rounders reference...

jfc no way im watching all 2.5 hours of this. Cliffs on the hearing pls?

Look out for the Indians

Look out for the SUPERBOTZ

Lol indian guy complaining... Casinos do stand to lose alot from regulation of online poker though...

I give it 3.5 stars. Held my attention the entire way.

it's not about if you are personally able to beat a bot ... it's about them infesting and killing the games. Recreational players don't want to play (and lose to) bots.

detailed cliffs would be awesome. thx

More like most recreational players have no clue what a bot is and wouldn't believe it if you told them

There was no talk of the board texture. We are doomed.

Google is your friend.
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-va...pport-in-house

I dunno

I listened for over an hour, WAY TOO MANY AGENDA's

Prevention people want money
Tribes want first shot at online poker in the US
KY is worried it will effect the horseracing business(???)
No underage people
Pros following weaker people from table to table
Sites need prevention ads not play poker at our site ads
Research money to see if more african americans would be more at risk
States can opt out if they dont want it

ALL THESE FOLKS ARE GONNA HAVE TO COMPROMISE SOMEWHAT or this aint going no where

ALl I see them shining a light on is, YOU can deposit on BODOG and play poker right now and everyone who talked today has one agenda MONEY FOR WHATEVER BILL THEY WANT INCLUDED

Another gigantic waste of time and we are no closer to govt leaving us the !@#$ alone.

regulation is on the horizon...

PPA Press release:
PPA Chairman Former Senator Alfonse D’Amato Testifies before theHouse Subcommittee on Licensing and Regulating Online Poker



http://www.scribd.com/doc/70240409/P...-Poker-10-25-2

I love a day at the horses as much as the next guy, but if the horse industry can't take the competition from poker then it just shouldn't exist. Limiting choices to protect broken industries is ridiculous.

my favorite "lol i'm a stupid air head politician statement/dumb****question":

LOLWTFOMG WHAT IF HE PICKS UP YOUR CAR KEYS AND DRIVES OFF A ****ING CLIFF. BAN CARS PLEASE NOW FOR THE KIDS!!!