interesting flipside to the ESPN article. Unfortunately for him I'm not sure how much I respect this piece as it is on pokernews that I wouldn't trust as far as I can throw them.

That said interesting all the same

Oh I don't trust this article at all concerning Phua's triad connections and sports betting past, but I think the info about poker is pretty reliable. I've heard many others speak about the Macau games too and the limits he speaks of seem to match what others have said.

He talked about it on the Rogan podcast. Said it was his biggest loss, about 6 million USD, but only had 10% of himself

#SaveTom

#SaveTom ::: Tom, you're still my f'n hero bro! Come out of hiding and prove all these people you're still alive and well! #SaveTom

Jungleman reported on another forum that Tom is currently back home in NJ looking after his dad, who is sick.
#SaveTom'sDad

I thought the asians had him locked up?

Do you think Jungle was telling the truth about Tom losing a 20M pot set over set. He's the last guy I'd expect to degen away his bankroll and I think it's safe to say if he was in a 20M pot he was playing way outside his bankroll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhQbx98gG0E

video if ike talking about his 6mill loss

Dwan is the last guy you'd expect to degen his money away? Seriously?

I wouldn't have expected it from how he did in his hay day. He was the epitome of a disciplined online professional. You ever seen his HU match with Antonius when he ran terrible but made good tough folds one after another? I thought that was mad discipline, but I guess things change.

This is spoken in Amy Wong's father's voice from Futurama.

I'm not knowledgable about the details, so can anyone point to a specific date when this had to be completed? As I recall it was pretty open ended....

POY

Durrrr was a pretty massive degen apparently. Raptor said on his Joe Ingram podcast that sometimes he would have a higher bankroll than durrrr yet he'd be grinding 10/20 25/50 while Durrrr would be playing 200/400. Then 2 days later durrrr would have 3x as much money as him etc lol.

He also said in the podcast that he doesnt know how Tom is doing and that he could have either 0 or 50mil and neither would be surprising.

Given the jungle AMA for pokervip about him seeing dwan losing a $20mil USD pot and the fact that dwans been rarely seen lately etc it looks as though its closer to 0. Probs a 7-8 figs in makeup aswell.

When he lost like 50 buyins to Blom at hu 100knl the dangs were rumoured to have took a big piece. Then for a while after durrrr was playing 5knl and 10knl again where as previously hed be only playing 20k+. He was probably down from like 4mil to a few hundred K at that point. (if not staked by dangs/galfond/raptor even)

I root for dwan though and hope he comes out of it all well. He was the original gangster, bluff jamming $500k's for 20% of his roll etc. Nowadays the highstakes guys are more like accountants. If they play a $100k buyin they either have a $10mil roll or more likely sell action so its like a $10k buyin to them.

#savetom

"Durrrr was a pretty massive degen apparently."

Normal 20' somethings don't play nosebleed poker.He got there at the time BECAUSE he is/was a degen.That said,my guess is that he is rolling now,made it big but just wants to stay out of the IRS's radar.I would be really surprised if it turns out that he is busto/deep in makeup.

you would be "really suprised"???

I would be REALLY suprised if bernie wins the election.

I would be REALLY suprised if batman vs superman wins best picture.

I would not be really suprised at all if someone who is notoriously degen, has zero regard for bankroll management and is playing the biggest games in the world was busto n in makeup.

Tom's chess bet with Raptor and Greg Shahade seems most indicative of his likely financials. Bet $60k drawing completely dead, delusional of his ability.

+1

rbk with words of wisdom as usual amongst a bunch of fanboys who want to believe in fairytales

he plays like a teenager drunk off listerine on chess with friends. meanwhile curtains is able to recall both matches from memory lol

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/gam...with-rook-odds

it is more likely than not that durrr has gambling problems. it is more likely than not that he is cash broke. not ready to make leaps on substance abuse, but he's not looking great recently (would say adderall is more likely than not though)

easy come easy go

big highs big lows

fanboys haters

If TD is in trouble I hope he gets out of it and makes a comeback

Hope he's not a degen

Always seemed like a nice guy to me

You only forgot one thing:he has an edge,and is a regular in games other pros would kill to be able to play.For many years now.
And I also really doubt that he is a bigger degen than those 'chinese'.

It doesn't matter if you're the greatest player in history and you're playing against a table of calling stations you still don't play outside your bankroll.
You'll get ****ed by variance eventually anyway which is exactly what happened when he lost ~10M set over set on a dry board. That 10M must've been a third of this bankroll *at best*.
Chinese are ****ing billionaires lol. ~10MNL is well inside their bankroll. I highly doubt they're fish either.

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Why are people so concerned with another guy's money?

If you don't know him, owe him, are due money from him, etc.....why care?