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02-17-2010 , 05:49 PM
no one takes aejones seriously. he's just an idiot when it comes to anything away from a poker table. clearly the double standard he's showing on this vs leatherass is obvious to everyone else but him because like i said he's an id...
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02-17-2010 , 06:42 PM
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02-17-2010 , 07:01 PM
As usual people have no clue to where the money in poker is coming from, not odd that you still can make money playing poker

ALL WINNING POKER PLAYERS ARE BUM HUNTING!!!
Yes you too!

You can't win money if you are playing against better players, period!
So everybody that complains over bumhunters take your money and play durrrr HU at the nose bleeds and stop this false morality.
If you play $400NL instead of $2k because the opposition is to hard at $2k you are bumhunting. If you like to abuse the 12/10 nit when he has the blinds you are bumhunting. If you like to 3B against the 24/20 player that just keep folding against your 3B you are bumhunting.

So swollow your ego and stop being such a hypocrite.
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02-17-2010 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lewkiz
As usual people have no clue to where the money in poker is coming from, not odd that you still can make money playing poker

ALL WINNING POKER PLAYERS ARE BUM HUNTING!!!
Yes you too!

You can't win money if you are playing against better players, period!
So everybody that complains over bumhunters take your money and play durrrr HU at the nose bleeds and stop this false morality.
If you play $400NL instead of $2k because the opposition is to hard at $2k you are bumhunting. If you like to abuse the 12/10 nit when he has the blinds you are bumhunting. If you like to 3B against the 24/20 player that just keep folding against your 3B you are bumhunting.

So swollow your ego and stop being such a hypocrite.
I'm trying to justify what you were thinking when you made this post, and nothing is coming up. Cocaine is a helluva drug?
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02-17-2010 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Lewkiz
If you like to abuse the 12/10 nit when he has the blinds you are bumhunting. If you like to 3B against the 24/20 player that just keep folding against your 3B you are bumhunting.
Obviously not, wow.
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02-17-2010 , 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by aejones
I don't pay much attention to LA (which is why I didn't realize that the 50k hands in a month thing was not valid), I completely agree that the comparisons, based solely on the criticisms that the haters have brought forth, are warranted.

The one thing I'd ask is this: Anyone comparing them-- have they ever seen 10 minutes of an LA poker video and 10 minutes of a boywonder video?

I once saw 10 minutes of an LA poker video... he was good at repeating what was going on on the table, I'll certainly say that.
Yes, I watched 25 minutes of BW and he managed to get through about 2 hands . He certainly has a lot to talk about. Kind of hard to watch but if I were at that level, it would be great to think so thoroughly about individual situations. I'm sure his vids are great. But you should not dog on LA--I've watched about 17 vids in the last 2 weeks and he's certainly a fundamentally sound player, very creatively aggressive, and can help anyone's game IMO (well, maybe not yours). Something makes me think if you had him at your site you'd think he was great, too .
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02-17-2010 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lewkiz
As usual people have no clue to where the money in poker is coming from, not odd that you still can make money playing poker

ALL WINNING POKER PLAYERS ARE BUM HUNTING!!!
Yes you too!

You can't win money if you are playing against better players, period!
So everybody that complains over bumhunters take your money and play durrrr HU at the nose bleeds and stop this false morality.
If you play $400NL instead of $2k because the opposition is to hard at $2k you are bumhunting. If you like to abuse the 12/10 nit when he has the blinds you are bumhunting. If you like to 3B against the 24/20 player that just keep folding against your 3B you are bumhunting.

So swollow your ego and stop being such a hypocrite.
I like this post. I see where your going with it. Maybe slightly exaggerated but w/e. The thoughts behind it are solid imo.
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02-17-2010 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by martin9_90
I like this too!

****ing LOL!
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02-17-2010 , 08:57 PM
Jantelagen lever vidare!
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02-17-2010 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Acetylcholine
I still say it all sounds like BS - results speak for themselves! And bumhunting can only take you so far.
Please read this post and see that results do not speak speak for themselves.

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This would be a much more appropriate graph of 25 "standard" 6max regs over a sample the same size as boywonder's last brag thread, his results would be about equal to the green line second from the top.

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02-17-2010 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Lewkiz
As usual people have no clue to where the money in poker is coming from, not odd that you still can make money playing poker

ALL WINNING POKER PLAYERS ARE BUM HUNTING!!!
Yes you too!

You can't win money if you are playing against better players, period!
So everybody that complains over bumhunters take your money and play durrrr HU at the nose bleeds and stop this false morality.
If you play $400NL instead of $2k because the opposition is to hard at $2k you are bumhunting. If you like to abuse the 12/10 nit when he has the blinds you are bumhunting. If you like to 3B against the 24/20 player that just keep folding against your 3B you are bumhunting.

So swollow your ego and stop being such a hypocrite.
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02-17-2010 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by aejones
Hey guys, just want to say:

1. I am boywonder, I created boywonder as a marketing shill for Leggo.
2. I'm not actually boywonder, but wouldn't that have been smart?

On a more serious note...
  • We based signing boywonder primarily off of how good his sample video was, and we were in competition with at least 7 other training sites
  • We were also impressed with his ability and willingness to answer questions on 2+2, which led us to believe he was a good teacher (which he has continued to show)
  • It is our understanding that Ben only buys in for less than 100 big blinds if position dictates it and at stakes he is not yet comfortable playing since we know him to practice good bankroll management
  • As far as we know Ben does not sit out when the fish sits, he traditionally makes it a point to play an orbit or so or leave as the game breaks
  • It would be impossible to bumhunt 50k hands a month, but table selecting (and especially position selecting) is certainly not a punishable offense
  • It is nearly impossible to start HU tables when you are 8+ tabling. I personally never started tables when I used to play 6-max.

The fact is that Ben likely boasts the best winrate of anyone playing 3-6 to 10-20 on any site in his last 500,000 hands or so. I can't imagine him playing with less than 100 big blinds a few times as he was moving up in stakes being worth that much to the amount of money he's won. Along with being a good poker player, he has a great work ethic and mental preparation. You can learn something from all of the Leggo coaches and Ben is absolutely not an exception to the rule. Check out his first (and soon his second video) and see for yourself.
Thank you Billy Mays
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02-17-2010 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Van Nosh
Before starting this, I wan't to state I am of no sorts a hater
kool
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02-18-2010 , 12:34 AM
Yea I'm gonna hate on boywonder too. I agree his initial threads seem to be one long brag in disguise and although some ppl enjoy them as he does reply to a lot of questions, I think a lot of it has to do with loving all the attention he gets from it.

Secondly, he talks about controlling one's emotions as the rosetta stone of poker that if you can master this you can be as successful as he is. I think this is a huge overstatement and there are a ton of players who can control their emotions well and have the technical skill that he says is also a requirement also but will not come close to the results he has achieved.

Thirdly, I really laughed when he talked about the overpriced coaching that other players are charging and then hypes himself up as almost doing "pro bono" work for the poker community. The next thing I see is he's charging $500 + an hour for coaching on Leggo. I mean I thought the was gonna come storming into the coaching community charging like $200 an hour or lower just the way he bashed all the overpriced coaches. And I agree overall that coaching is a ****ing joke. Ppl barely making a profit and having huge swings charging ****ing $500 an hour to get some basic tips of their style. Gimme a break. If I'm gonna pay $500 an hour I wanna learn from ****ing the best of the best. Not some break even self proclaimed god send.

Anyways...I'll keep the hate train rolling on boywonder. I'd also like to see him post videos of him on Stars or Full Tilt. Play with the best of the best not bum hunt and then say the profit comes from achieving your inner chi. Thanks.
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02-18-2010 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Hacim36
Play with the best of the best not bum hunt and then say the profit comes from achieving your inner chi.
csb
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02-18-2010 , 01:33 AM
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02-18-2010 , 02:17 AM
the guy crushes the games and any1 hating is jealous. /thread
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02-18-2010 , 04:41 AM
If everybody were perfectly balanced 23/19 players, bumhunting would be to find any kind of player with leaks. Doesn't matter if they were a 40/30 player or a 12/10 player.

If you play the nosebleeds and trying to make money you are going to play against players you have an edge on and avoid good players = Bumhunting.
This is the only way to make money at poker, you can't make money by playing against better players. Yes you can become better by playing better players but you won't make money against that player.

[At least thats my definition of good/bad players, the good player will always be the winner in the longrun and you want to play against bad players. Which means everytime you are able to win money at a table you have bumhunted because you have selected a table where you have an edge]
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02-18-2010 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Lewkiz
As usual people have no clue to where the money in poker is coming from, not odd that you still can make money playing poker

ALL WINNING POKER PLAYERS ARE BUM HUNTING!!!
Yes you too!

You can't win money if you are playing against better players, period!
So everybody that complains over bumhunters take your money and play durrrr HU at the nose bleeds and stop this false morality.
If you play $400NL instead of $2k because the opposition is to hard at $2k you are bumhunting. If you like to abuse the 12/10 nit when he has the blinds you are bumhunting. If you like to 3B against the 24/20 player that just keep folding against your 3B you are bumhunting.

So swollow your ego and stop being such a hypocrite.

and you fail
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02-18-2010 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Hacim36
Yea I'm gonna hate on boywonder too. I agree his initial threads seem to be one long brag in disguise and although some ppl enjoy them as he does reply to a lot of questions, I think a lot of it has to do with loving all the attention he gets from it.

Secondly, he talks about controlling one's emotions as the rosetta stone of poker that if you can master this you can be as successful as he is. I think this is a huge overstatement and there are a ton of players who can control their emotions well and have the technical skill that he says is also a requirement also but will not come close to the results he has achieved.

Thirdly, I really laughed when he talked about the overpriced coaching that other players are charging and then hypes himself up as almost doing "pro bono" work for the poker community. The next thing I see is he's charging $500 + an hour for coaching on Leggo. I mean I thought the was gonna come storming into the coaching community charging like $200 an hour or lower just the way he bashed all the overpriced coaches. And I agree overall that coaching is a ****ing joke. Ppl barely making a profit and having huge swings charging ****ing $500 an hour to get some basic tips of their style. Gimme a break. If I'm gonna pay $500 an hour I wanna learn from ****ing the best of the best. Not some break even self proclaimed god send.

Anyways...I'll keep the hate train rolling on boywonder. I'd also like to see him post videos of him on Stars or Full Tilt. Play with the best of the best not bum hunt and then say the profit comes from achieving your inner chi. Thanks.
he knows "secret". would u give away "secret" for $200? would u sell happy life just for $199.99? no, u would charge $500!

for a minute i thought he might be The One, but when dust settled down i realized... (make your own conclusions)
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02-18-2010 , 06:01 AM
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just seems pretty strange for u to make the comments u made regarding this issue when u have been very vocal about ur disgust for leatherass's antics at the table and now the comments uv made almost justify many of the things LA has done at the tbls.
Don't you get it? Here, i'll elaborate for you.

Top pros uninvolved with business matters of poker that just make their living off poker despise bumhunters because they take money out of their games and the poker community. In the poker world it's really every man for themselves. As a result of this, they have to express outward disapproval of bumhunters to influence and dissaude sheep from doing the same thing... even though you should be as well.

This way, all the fanboy followers who want to be part of the in-crowd will all be against bumhunting and not do it and it helps to keep the games good. But when factors change and the top players have a business incentive involved with poker instruction and can now profit from these bumhunters, its now perfectly fine because at the end of the day these people are all motivated by making a profit and if Boywonder has popularity among the masses then thats who they are going to sign. They will rationalize it anyway they can.. that's business and you'd be naieve to think otherwise.

Oh, you thought people like AEJ were against bumhunters on grounds of morality and ethics? loooool. Hilairous how most people can't really see what's going on in the poker world. But anyways, sucks that you feel betrayed... top players are only against bumhunters bc they lose them money, so now when the bh can make them money its all good again. The people who dont bh though because they think it's unpopular are the real fools though who overvalued their 2p2 reps and missed the gravy train of money for no reason at all.
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02-18-2010 , 07:39 AM
If you don't do it on Stars or Full Tilt it didn't happen...maybe?

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02-18-2010 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Lewkiz
As usual people have no clue to where the money in poker is coming from, not odd that you still can make money playing poker

ALL WINNING POKER PLAYERS ARE BUM HUNTING!!!
Yes you too!

You can't win money if you are playing against better players, period!
So everybody that complains over bumhunters take your money and play durrrr HU at the nose bleeds and stop this false morality.
If you play $400NL instead of $2k because the opposition is to hard at $2k you are bumhunting. If you like to abuse the 12/10 nit when he has the blinds you are bumhunting. If you like to 3B against the 24/20 player that just keep folding against your 3B you are bumhunting.

So swollow your ego and stop being such a hypocrite.
Bumhunting is typically not defined as "playing people worse than you", but "playing people much worse than you" and that usually implies not playing regs much and table selecting pretty intensely. The point about playing durrrr HU at nosebleeds is also obv. ******ed too because almost nobody has a bankroll for a high variance HU game at nosebleeds, even if they were slightly +EV against durrrr.
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02-18-2010 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by aejones
I don't pay much attention to LA (which is why I didn't realize that the 50k hands in a month thing was not valid), I completely agree that the comparisons, based solely on the criticisms that the haters have brought forth, are warranted.

The one thing I'd ask is this: Anyone comparing them-- have they ever seen 10 minutes of an LA poker video and 10 minutes of a boywonder video?

I once saw 10 minutes of an LA poker video... he was good at repeating what was going on on the table, I'll certainly say that.
I have learned that it is ok to bumhunt if you make good videos.
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02-18-2010 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bulletproof Monk
so op is english.

there is a start
oooooh I love Miss Marple
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