http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...-jante-712779/

Boywonder confirmed it in his blog

gah, of course it's right there in nvg under my nose. sorry, thanks.

he learned this by studying theology

where did boywonder out himself, i didn't see that?

and i'm 95% sure bucuster is boywonder.

played with him quite a lot on ipoker the last couple of years.

he has played a tonne of 3/6 the last couple of years, then started playing all 5/10 so that evidence coordinates with boywonders timing etc


he is as people have previously said a massive bumhunter, never starts games, and often buys in short.

afaik he doesn't buy in for 20BB very often, although i have vague recollections of him doing so before, and 50BB shortstacking isn't really a problem, so w/e


addionally he is a very good player, one of the better players i have played against, and i actually had a note on him for quite a while that read something like

'does some really smart stuff'


not really suprised that he crushes as he table selects extremely well and is a very good player

the only impressive thing to me in all of this is his work ethic, managing to bumhunt pretty hardcore and still grind out alot of hands is very impressive.

i'm sure some of the better 5/10 regs could duplicate his results if they gameselected as well as him, and worked as hard as him

The bu-cu-ster poster talked in his first post on 2p2 regarding allegations by Microgaming of collusion that he had a son who played from his IP occasionally. Since BW has mentioned being in his mid 20's, it would seem that that poster was not BW then?

I've been a BW supporter from the start, but this is confusing.

sick callout lmfao

he says that he opened an account in his dads name for rakeback and he and his brother shared it. and that he and his brother both used the bu-cu-ster account

This will be my only post in this thread, as this is the only thing that I really feel I should defend or clear up.

That account, the Unibet account, was in our dads name, because I wanted RB and had made the mistake of signing up through a bonus three days earlier (even though I had already had some success, I had very little clue about the pokerworld, and had played on Ladbrokes which had no RB up until then). So he opened a new Unibet account, I dropped mine, and that may have been a mistake by me. Perhaps I should have accepted the sutation. At the time, everybody was doing this and there was no discussion as to the morality of it, as it was not the same topic it is today.

I made one more mistake; I told my brother that we could share this account (he was at first very apprehensive to opening one), and if he promised to spend x amount of time I would bankroll him completely. So we shared an account for a month or two that would play 3/6 in the evening, and then microstakes in the daytime. My brother moved in with me for that month, which was also right after I went pro, and again, as we were playing opposite player pools, I saw no harm in that. That might have been a mistake, I have to think about it.

Next, we decided to join 2+2 together, as he started to lurk the site more than me, more than actually playing. The long and short of it is that I said I think I can really teach you this at some point (he had already begun to lose interest), I think I am decent, I think if I have made this much I can be confident in makin x more, it´s not gambling, etc. He said he didn´t believe me, let´s prove it, we sat down, and made the post, which honestly, and this goes for only that first post because I remember being there for that one, was not a brag post (this may be difficult to believe). Then that became our 2+2 account for the duration of his interest, which was not long. He took over, getting a bit defensive of me and being a little bit of a smartass for a couple of posts, and I come back a few hours later later, check up on everything, and write this to clear stuff up:

Sorry for coming off wrong, seriously no brag. Of course I have played a decent amount at the other levels, I would estimate approximately 100 k hands at 2/4 and another 100 at 1/2 (and some smaller amounts lower than that). My laptop crashed but I do know for sure that my winrates at 1/2 and 2/4 were SMALLER than that at 3 / 6, something like 3.5 bb / 100. I´m a little off when it comes to the technical spects of the game. For instance; just started posting here after almost 2 years of play. Also (embaressing), started using PAHUD like 1 week ago (for the first time).

As you can see, the time when I first started using the HUD which was after I had made roughly 170 k or so.And so we shared that account for like a month (yes, another mistake, multiaccounting 2+2, I know, but again, I was more than a novice to the poker world at the time). Later on in that thread when I come back, I make a post apologising and he started defending me after first having been very skeptical of me. Later, he also had to untangle a big mess where a bunch of our money was frozen when I was away (I should have done that myself as well, but he handled decently in the end).

He then completely lost interest (it has resurged mildly since summer of last year, but by now, I am pretty sure he will never go pro), and I made my own account, which is this one, and decided to put some stuff down that I felt about the game and that were my own reflections.

cool story about ur bro

"That account, the Unibet account, was in our dads name, because I wanted RB and had made the mistake of signing up through a bonus three days earlier (even though I had already had some success, I had very little clue about the pokerworld, and had played on Ladbrokes which had no RB up until then). So he opened a new Unibet account, I dropped mine, and that may have been a mistake by me. Perhaps I should have accepted the sutation. At the time, everybody was doing this and there was no discussion as to the morality of it, as it was not the same topic it is today."

sup Janter?

lol

cliffnotes?

OP, u seem borderline furious. Everyone is entitled to their own view, but you shouldnt expose a person's sn. The fact of the matter is you dont "know" boywonder anymore than you know or knew michael jackson. You come across as rather arrogant and upset that people like and have respect for someone who has made 6 figures and crushed the game.

Whether this was the result of "bumhunting" or not is irrelevant. If I held
100k in front of just about anyone and told them I would give it to them if they table selected better, Id be hardpressed to find a person who wouldnt do it. If you dont like boywonder you are entitled to your opinion but you dont need to come across this way. The point in the game is to win. There is thought and philosophy to playing as well, but dont criticize someone so harshly who has done so well.

Criticize his play or strategy or whatever, but when someone starts having 40k months they probly arent going to change their approach because you don't like it. Just my opinion.

Can't you read?

This thread kind of annoyed me at first but then I got to the part where you outed his SN and loled at how obv bitter you are OP needs to grow a pair.

Also, why do you criticise someone for not coming out with their SN and then post anonymously? roflvag

Hey guys, just want to say:

1. I am boywonder, I created boywonder as a marketing shill for Leggo.
2. I'm not actually boywonder, but wouldn't that have been smart?

On a more serious note...

• We based signing boywonder primarily off of how good his sample video was, and we were in competition with at least 7 other training sites
• We were also impressed with his ability and willingness to answer questions on 2+2, which led us to believe he was a good teacher (which he has continued to show)
• It is our understanding that Ben only buys in for less than 100 big blinds if position dictates it and at stakes he is not yet comfortable playing since we know him to practice good bankroll management
• As far as we know Ben does not sit out when the fish sits, he traditionally makes it a point to play an orbit or so or leave as the game breaks
• It would be impossible to bumhunt 50k hands a month, but table selecting (and especially position selecting) is certainly not a punishable offense
• It is nearly impossible to start HU tables when you are 8+ tabling. I personally never started tables when I used to play 6-max.

The fact is that Ben likely boasts the best winrate of anyone playing 3-6 to 10-20 on any site in his last 500,000 hands or so. I can't imagine him playing with less than 100 big blinds a few times as he was moving up in stakes being worth that much to the amount of money he's won. Along with being a good poker player, he has a great work ethic and mental preparation. You can learn something from all of the Leggo coaches and Ben is absolutely not an exception to the rule. Check out his first (and soon his second video) and see for yourself.

in after ae

LOLLLLLL

This post is a good summary. Obviously BW has something to hide, mostly because information like this would harm his reputation and mislead potential students into thinking he's not good simply because he table selects. It's difficult to gauge whether he is a good player, but Aejones has decided his poker thinking is solid, and another reg also thought he was good, and with a good winrate, it's at least more probably that he's a good player despite bumhunting, right? Can he really be blamed for not wanting to out his SN?

That said it does make it look a big dodgy, and in the end I have no clue if he's actually a good coach, but I trust Aejone's decision, as well as the many other sites' managers. Just watch the video, ask other people you trust, and then judge for yourselves. What matters is there is no scandal here. He has not lied at least.

It's pretty funny how you people seem to think that 'being good' and 'table selecting' or 'bum hunting' are mutually exclusive. In fact, fundamental to being a good player is recognizing when you're better than other players and are going to win money from them. If player A is great with poker theory, but plays in tough games full of decent regs and player B is okay with poker theory, but table selects very hard I would say player B is a far superior player and it's not close.

[QUOTE=aejones;16875137]Hey guys, just want to say:

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• It would be impossible to bumhunt 50k hands a month, but table selecting (and especially position selecting) is certainly not a punishable offense
• It is nearly impossible to start HU tables when you are 8+ tabling. I personally never started tables when I used to play 6-max.

The fact is that Ben likely boasts the best winrate of anyone playing 3-6 to 10-20 on any site in his last 500,000 hands or so.

Don't you accuse leatherass of the same things, meanwhile he puts in more hands per month playing the same amount of tables?

the way you describe it player A would beat player B HU and player A would outperform player B in the same game conditions generally. to then say player B is far superior and it's not close is a basic failure of logic.

you're looking for something like "more profitable player"

genius.

If there was link to leggo in this post i would've insta paid.