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Robbi's wild call with J4 vs Garrett Adelstein on Hustler Live Robbi's wild call with J4 vs Garrett Adelstein on Hustler Live
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10-05-2022 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Eskaborr
When they say different deck, don't they mean they have two different decks they use (colored backs) So wouldn't this theory be out? Not sure I understand this or the theory correctly.

Are they or are they not using two different color decks, while one is shuffling the other is in play.
Wouldn't this also make the scam harder as far as rfid reading goes, they have to know which deck is in play/got replaced or read incorrectly? So now we are back to talking about two way communication again?
They likely mean different colored decks. The Poker GFX manual states that multiple decks can be registered and that cards between decks are interchangeable. They pretty much have to be otherwise the floor wouldn't be able to swap individually-damaged cards out across decks. So in essence this means both the RFID reader and the production software have to be deck-agnostic, so it really doesn't matter if the cards were from two different decks in terms of a possible hack.
10-05-2022 , 02:24 PM

10-05-2022 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
They likely mean different colored decks. The Poker GFX manual states that multiple decks can be registered and that cards between decks are interchangeable. They pretty much have to be otherwise the floor wouldn't be able to swap individually-damaged cards out across decks. So in essence this means both the RFID reader and the production software have to be deck-agnostic, so it really doesn't matter if the cards were from two different decks in terms of a possible hack.
Hmm, I'm not sure how this process works or when the decks are calibrated/if they are given some kind of new security code (for lack of knowing the technical term) when re programmed.

Something doesn't ring true to me, because sounds like they if someone at any point in time got a rfid deck that is supplied to hustler they could sit there and work on breaking into them in some fashion and it carry over to next session?

Also seems to me from a security standpoint it would make sense to differentiate the calibrated codes from different color decks.

Could be off base here it could be working in a way I completely don't understand and this not changing the security behind it
10-05-2022 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron

Doug is way off base on this one. Immediately after calling Garrett said "yikes", so he made it clear to the entire table he was probably behind. Timeline:

2:11:16 Robbi: "I call"
2:11:22 Garrett: "Yikes"
2:11:26 Player at table (maybe RIP): "So far so good. Looks like you're ahead"
2:12:38 River card is dealt, as RIP says "What a sick call"

Not to mention any call with J4 is a sick call regardless of the outcome.
10-05-2022 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Eskaborr
When they say different deck, don't they mean they have two different decks they use (colored backs) So wouldn't this theory be out? Not sure I understand this or the theory correctly.

Are they or are they not using two different color decks, while one is shuffling the other is in play.
Wouldn't this also make the scam harder as far as rfid reading goes, they have to know which deck is in play/got replaced or read incorrectly? So now we are back to talking about two way communication again?

RFID is very much in play. It would make it difficult for someone from outside the casino yes. This article is pretty good someone posted earlier.

https://rf.team/blog/hijack-or-jack-high

It really depends on how/where at the cheating was coming from. Your assumptions assume a very specific point in which data is pulled. If there was an employee who had the right access to their network, cheating will always be possible if they use RFID cards.

My instincts are telling me that the third party is a person working at the casino, most likely in IT or with a very strong IT background. There are way too many coincidences aligning.
10-05-2022 , 02:31 PM
Rip was talking a bit during the hand. I am surprised this hasnt been focused on yet.


Garrett hasnt brought it up yet though and he was right in between everybody. Im pretty sure he heard every word so if there was an issue he should have brought that up by now.
10-05-2022 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Eskaborr
Hmm, I'm not sure how this process works or when the decks are calibrated/if they are given some kind of new security code (for lack of knowing the technical term) when re programmed.

Something doesn't ring true to me, because sounds like they if someone at any point in time got a rfid deck that is supplied to hustler they could sit there and work on breaking into them in some fashion and it carry over to next session?

Also seems to me from a security standpoint it would make sense to differentiate the calibrated codes from different color decks.

Could be off base here it could be working in a way I completely don't understand and this not changing the security behind it
I am with you.

I have yet to see someone clearly articulate how this impacts anything.
10-05-2022 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Doug is way off base on this one. Immediately after calling Garrett said "yikes", so he made it clear to the entire table he was probably behind. Timeline:

2:11:16 Robbi: "I call"
2:11:22 Garrett: "Yikes"
2:11:26 Player at table (maybe RIP): "So far so good. Looks like you're ahead"
2:12:38 River card is dealt, as RIP says "What a sick call"

Not to mention any call with J4 is a sick call regardless of the outcome.
But when is her hand tabled? Is he calling it a sick call before that?
10-05-2022 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Eskaborr
Hmm, I'm not sure how this process works or when the decks are calibrated/if they are given some kind of new security code (for lack of knowing the technical term) when re programmed.

Something doesn't ring true to me, because sounds like they if someone at any point in time got a rfid deck that is supplied to hustler they could sit there and work on breaking into them in some fashion and it carry over to next session?

Also seems to me from a security standpoint it would make sense to differentiate the calibrated codes from different color decks.

Could be off base here it could be working in a way I completely don't understand and this not changing the security behind it
Per the Poker GFX manual (link here), each card is pre-registered once in its lifetime to the software. All decks would need to be pre-registered prior to start of play. Only registered cards would be recognized by the production software so if anyone tried to introduce a new deck it would immediately be obvious to the crew. From the manual, page 21:

This procedure only needs to be completed once for each new deck. Once complete, the configuration is stored permanently on the Server. This means that you never need to carry out the procedure again, unless re-installing PokerGFX Server on another computer. An unlimited number of decks can be registered at the same time, and cards from any deck can be used interchangeably in a game at any time.


Differentiating codes across decks would preclude the ability to replace individual cards, which they did on camera and without re-registering so that's not a security consideration. The security is in making sure the registered decks/cards are kept physically protected.
10-05-2022 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc


But when is her hand tabled? Is he calling it a sick call before that?
I don't understand what the conspiracy theory is here, that somehow rip knows the actual hole cards? So now we are back to saying they have a hidden earpiece or something?

Any 130k call could be thought of as a sick call when its been clear she has "just a pure bluff catcher" and garett goes "yikes" and makes it very clear he is bluffing, then announces hes cooked on the 9 river....



Also this seems this new theory by him seems to be lacking some real critical thinking, because now he is saying RIP somehow knows everyones cards, not who is gonna win (let alone win on multiple run outs?) so now we are back to saying all the cheaters knew it was straight flush vs j4 and they got it all in it the fashion they did, or he is announcing sick call before he knows how sick it was because all he knows is shes good on two run outs.

As the kids say make it make sense.
10-05-2022 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc


But when is her hand tabled? Is he calling it a sick call before that?
The hands are tabled after. It's clear from watching the stream that Garrett was behind and didn't improve - the entire table is laughing about it. Not sure why Doug thinks RIP demonstrated any unique prescience.
10-05-2022 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
Per the Poker GFX manual (link here), each card is pre-registered once in its lifetime to the software. All decks would need to be pre-registered prior to start of play. Only registered cards would be recognized by the production software so if anyone tried to introduce a new deck it would immediately be obvious to the crew. From the manual, page 21:

This procedure only needs to be completed once for each new deck. Once complete, the configuration is stored permanently on the Server. This means that you never need to carry out the procedure again, unless re-installing PokerGFX Server on another computer. An unlimited number of decks can be registered at the same time, and cards from any deck can be used interchangeably in a game at any time.


Differentiating codes across decks would preclude the ability to replace individual cards, which they did on camera and without re-registering so that's not a security consideration. The security is in making sure the registered decks/cards are kept physically protected.
Ok, so can you explain to me how this theory makes any sense, once the card was corrected and replaced shouldn't it have been readable for their supposed reader as well so they should have known she had j4?

The theory is they got a snap shot of the supposed configuration perhaps after the decks were set up, then were in the dark on the correction? Really limits who the culprits could be/when this happened. Should be easy to find out which staff member was in on it under this theory.
10-05-2022 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
The hands are tabled after. It's clear from watching the stream that Garrett was behind and didn't improve - the entire table is laughing about it. Not sure why Doug thinks RIP demonstrated any unique prescience.
The sleeper has awaken!
10-05-2022 , 02:48 PM
Doug is really grasping at straws.

If those two cards were the only ones swapped out then it would be a hell of a coincidence, but until that info is used in support of a plausible theory it’s just that, a coincidence.
10-05-2022 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron

Garrett says "what a sick call" first, then RIP says it. Her behavior is still off but they're not going to find anything new in the footage.
10-05-2022 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Eskaborr
Ok, so can you explain to me how this theory makes any sense, once the card was corrected and replaced shouldn't it have been readable for their supposed reader as well so they should have known she had j4?
It's presumed the RFID readers at the table don't know the suite/ranks of the cards. The readers only know raw RFIDs, which after read are aggregated by a central unit at the table and transmitted over the network to the production room/software. The production software had the correct suite/rank association for the swapped cards - that's why the on-screen graphics were correct.

But if the hack is at the RFID aggregator that transmits the RFIDs to the software (ie, someone has access to the raw card RFIDs) then the hacker would need to maintain his own database of suite/rank associations to each card's RFID, and he may have failed to correctly update his database for the swapped cards.
10-05-2022 , 02:55 PM
Definitely no way the cheater could know cards were swapped right? Not like they would be paying attention to the stream.

Ryan says it's a BS theory? Well, what does he know...

Please Doug, guide us home.
10-05-2022 , 02:57 PM
Just rewatched the hand to see what Doug was talking about. Definitely nothing new there but I still can't get over how nonchalantly? she says "Wow Garret, how many times are you going to let me do this to you?"

I don't want to get too far into tinfoil hat territory, but I'm taking anything Nick and Ryan say with a grain of salt.
10-05-2022 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMiragi
Definitely no way the cheater could know cards were swapped right? Not like they would be paying attention to the stream.

Ryan says it's a BS theory? Well, what does he know...

Please Doug, guide us home.
The stream is on a 2-hour delay, so even if an alleged accomplice was watching the stream he wouldn't about the swapped cards in time. The swaps are at 1:48:16 and 1:52:38, whereas the 89 vs J4 hand starts at 2:07:19.
10-05-2022 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondsOnMyNeck
Just rewatched the hand to see what Doug was talking about. Definitely nothing new there but I still can't get over how nonchalantly? she says "Wow Garret, how many times are you going to let me do this to you?"
Apparently that was the last time lol
10-05-2022 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
It's presumed the RFID readers at the table don't know the suite/ranks of the cards. The readers only know raw RFIDs, which after read are aggregated by a central unit at the table and transmitted over the network to the production room/software. The production software had the correct suite/rank association for the swapped cards - that's why the on-screen graphics were correct.

But if the hack is at the RFID aggregator that transmits the RFIDs to the software (ie, someone has access to the raw card RFIDs) then the hacker would need to maintain his own database of suite/rank associations to each card's RFID, and he may have failed to correctly update his database for the swapped cards.
Ok, so now I'm back to thinking it would matter that they were different decks in question and he'd have to be notified which rfid was wrong from which deck. What am I missing? Why isn't it instantly compatible as you said (i could be confused). Also under this theory isn't the exploiter aware from the onset he has two six of clubs in the 52 card deck? Thus knowing hey maybe I should stay away from any hands with the 4h and 6c. None of this makes sense imo.

If the gold deck was the one replaced with the bad read, and the black deck was the one used in the hand, how would the exploiter be confused?

Truly doesn't make much sense to me.

Can you, even if playing devils advocate, articulate how the hacker would make the 6c/4h mistake if it was a SEPERATE DECK that was replaced? And if what you said was true earlier, why didn't cards from both decks need to be swapped out? Also does this hacker know that he has too many 6c or 4h?

Last edited by Eskaborr; 10-05-2022 at 03:06 PM.
10-05-2022 , 03:01 PM
Doug continuing to grasp at straws. Lol I am convinced he doesn't truly believe what he is saying and just doing it for views.
10-05-2022 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SpursDynasty
Doug continuing to grasp at straws. Lol I am convinced he doesn't truly believe what he is saying and just doing it for views.
There have been numerous studies done about arguing on the internet, and what they’ve found is that almost no one ever changes their opinion.

For Doug it’s more about winning an argument and proving how smart he is, so I don’t think he’ll ever change his opinion cause that’d require him to acknowledge he was wrong. He’s too deeply invested now and isn’t being objective, despite him preaching about journalistic truth and justice (cringe).
10-05-2022 , 03:06 PM
If the RFID bros think Robbi is dumb enough to not realize something may be off being signaled to continue with that hand, then she’s probably dumb enough to be that bad at poker and do what she did without cheating.
10-05-2022 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by pocket_zeros
The stream is on a 2-hour delay, so even if an alleged accomplice was watching the stream he wouldn't about the swapped cards in time. The swaps are at 1:48:16 and 1:52:38, whereas the 89 vs J4 hand starts at 2:07:19.
Fair enough, it's certainly an interesting development even if Ryan says it doesn't matter. I guess it would mean the supposed accomplice is not an HCL insider or able to see the action directly to see the swap.

      
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