Fair enough.
Do you trust it more than the British government?

That depends. In a way no. But if we look at the French Govt that started regulating poker - now they tax every pot and walled off their players from the rest of the world. I certainly wouldn't want Cameron & Co. doing the same in the UK.

So you don't trust the "Isle Of Man government" more than your british government?

As I say - it depends. I would trust UK government more in, say, being stricter with businesses in enforcing prevention of underage gambling. Or if I were a minority shareholder in PokerStars I'd feel safer if they were under UK jurisdiction.

I trust UK government less when it comes to my money as a poker player as they certainly would want a larger share of the pie which would lead to increased rakes and, possibly, to poker winnings being taxed.

I'm just curious to how people think that US government differs from any other Super Power government. I just find it amazing, how a bunch of internet poker players will verbally tear apart the Country of the United States as a whole. Like they give a crap about real world issues. When it comes right down to it, it's really just because they can't play poker on-line right now. Sounds silly. I think there are plenty of things in US government that need changing, but I'm not ready to just say "how can anybody live there", or compare it to the German Nazi Party. The fact is, people from all over the world love the US, and are dieing to try to get There every day. So sorry, if I don't sympathize for some of the players on here making outlandish comments, and comparisons, that are way off base. I'm not saying ALL of the people on this website, just some.

This article casts doubt on the Financial viability of FT ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...o-turn-up.html

no way

http://www.internetevolution.com/aut...volution_gnews

"And even though poker players are a notoriously apathetic bunch, in the wake of having funds locked away for the foreseeable future, they have become increasingly vocal through the several online channels the PPA has provided."

We are all lazy? So are marijuana smokers...uh...Mexicans...Blacks....take your pick, we are all lazy except the one making the claims. Bigotry sucks.

There are obviously going to have payout problems when the government has their funds frozen.

Lawyers gonna lawyer.

Oh cmon we are definitely lazy as a group

Fair stereotype

THERE IS A BIG LINE BETWEEN LAZY AND SMART.

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all gambling is created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of live players and the sons of former online players will be able to sit down together at the table of a B&M.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the websites they play on but by the content of their play.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day, up in Washington D.C., with its moral high horsed senators, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, online fish and online sharks will be able to join hands with live fish and live sharks as SB and BB.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to my computer with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to play together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."

And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!

Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California!

But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of poker's children will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old online players' spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

i'm a u.s. player and now i can't even use my full tilt points which i have about $3000.00 worth of....it says "full tilt store not available in my area".... so i have $5 k stuck in f.t. and now my 3K worth of f.t. points are worthless....this just keeps getting worse.....plus i exchanged my iron man medals for f.t. points, which didn't work either.....my iron man medals are gone, but the f.t. points never came in to my account and it has been 5 days

most idotic post ive ever read. ban pls.

lol idiot

for me, I had took a break from poker for like 5 months due to school, and I started up again like two weeks b4 black friday and like right b4 it happened I won a 300pt. freeroll tourny and earned a $75 ticket which i was hoping to use... whatever I guess

Received refunds for both of my bounced checks from Pokerstars today... good news for me.

-Tyler

Are there alternatives to PokerStars and Full Tilt if you still want to sign up for new online poker sites and play poker in the US? For example, I saw this clip on YouTube here. It names four sites like Cake Poker and what not. If I were to sign up for one of these sites would I be in any risk to loosing my money due to legal reasons and would a similar thing happen to me that is happening with Stars and Full Tilt? Just wondering if anyone is playing online poker on any other sites currently while residing in the good old US of A.

cliffs?

Only cliffs I am concerned about are on your Avatar.

there you go:

Try Google? Or just look back through this thread, several people have posted links.

Cliffs:
The Isle of Man is a British dependency, in the Irish Sea. it has very strict requirements for an online gaming licence, and all player money is legally required to be held separately from company assets. Stars Players will DEFINITELY get their money back once an avenue to pay is established. I haven't researched FTP as I've never played there.

With some reservations, your point is well taken: it's easy for any of us to magnify our relatively small concerns ("Because of gov't actions MY bankroll is tied up") and forget what they look like in comparison to the daily lives of an individual living in Iraq, Afghan, Libya, etc. On the other hand, what people around the world love about the US is what it symbolizes (insert here clichés about "freedom and justice for all", etc.). And the fact that the US has (like any major power) failed to live up to its ideals (blame its Puritan inheritance, its capitulation to imperialist temptations, political venality, the distortion of capitalism and the fiscal power of the mega-corporations, or whatever you'd like) does inspire disappointment and anger. And that's better than not. So, yes, in a world filled with injustice this is a small one (and not morally unambiguous, given the sites' methods of payment processing). But pointing out the folly of the US gov't in its priorities (PokerStars over Goldman Sachs, etc.) is still appropriate and asking for better governance is always a good thing.

Any word on if anything will be done with bonuses that were not completely unlocked yet? On Tilt I had recently traded in a bunch of Iron Man medals for a cash bonus and had only earned about 1/3 of it. Any chance I'll get some of my medals refunded to use on goods in the store since I can't unlock any more of it?

I posted this in the cashouts for US players thread, but figured mb heres better..idk

hey just wanted to post that i cashed out 3 checks prior to the 4/15 black friday all within 2 weeks of when it happened and only 1 check was actually sent out to me according to pokerstars support (the rest was put back into my account)

anyways, the one check which i cashed out on 4/7/11 i received today and it was different looking than the others that i'd received in the past...The check was also dated 4/18/11 and the check was said to be from "The National Bank of Singapore"...the check also said payment to my name than below that it said "cash at Bank of America, NY" written right on the check...btw i dont have an acct with bank of america

so i took it down to my bank and was told by 4 different ppl that they'd never seen a check like this before..i got questioned about where this was from/if i was expecting it..they made like 5 different phone calls and they kept having to fax over copies of what my check looked like in order to decide if i could even deposit it. I was there for nearly an hour when the lady finally told me that they thought my check was a fake check..she told me i could still try to deposit it and that it would be a 10$ fee if it bounced...she kept urging me not to cash the check (which was for 1k) bc she was saying she thought it would bounce..

idk if she just doesnt have any common sense or what, but IMO its worth the risk of a 10$ fee for a chance at having the 1k put in my acct if u ask me lol so i deposited it...ill be sure to give an update ITT for anyone who cares--i figured at the least if it is fake i can mb post on here and save some of u guys an hour or so at the bank or something