Of course I want my points, but if it is going to slow down the remission process in the slightest I'm not for it, so I voted no. Not sure if we'd actually have to worry about it slowing down the remission process? Anyone remember exactly what the points were about worth? Been too long for me to remember.

Stars should just let us buy **** from the gift shop

Ha thats cool then, sorry was a little miffed - maybe I spazed out and didn't post it - who knows?

Yes it is criminal, but its criminal in the same way that if you put your money in a bank and it goes bust then you lose your money.....

I actually don't think points will slow down the process at all. If it is an issue, they'll just pay out $ accounts first and look at points subsequently, thus satisfying a lot of players, and continuing to work to satisfying all (hopefully).

I really hope the PPA actually has any sort influence at all, but I fear that it is pretty toothless.

The remissions process should take about 12-18 months at least. You as well as others do not want the slightest delay. The slightest delay would be one day. That is unacceptable to you? I would wait one day for my $3k. I would even wait a week. Would you wait a month for $3k?

If the whole complicated multi step process will take 12-18 months, how long can this one piece of one process take? Some ITT have said a year or more. Really?

I want my maypo!

I don't believe that wanting our points will drag out the process any longer. As long as DOJ agrees to it, it should be really easy. Just add number of points X money value per ponints to the total balance. It is elementary school math.

Yeah, I'm not sure how anyone could say they don't want the full value of their account. I had at least a few 100k points in my account on BF, plus a 2k bonus I had just bought but didn't have time to clear(which means more points back in to my account) and a large number of iron man medals and tourney tickets (also converted to points). So, yeah, I want my ****, all of it.

It's already been 18 months. I'm not holding my breath any more, I just want everything I'm owed and earned. Yes, earned. If it takes longer, so be it, but I want every last penny.

1) the ppa is a ****ing joke. Exhibit A

2) anyone with any significant amount of money wants you to stfu about everything else but our money.

I have a significant amount of money and I want all my money. That includes everything that the ROW players got.

Who are you to tell anyone to stfu?

Boy this is fun!

This topic is odd.

If simply asking for points + cash is a free action, then obviously they should do so, and then based on the processor's response we can evaluate what comes next.

Is it... not a free action?

what a fantastic poll

"Do you want:
A: Some money
B: Some more money"

And amazingly 30% of people still answered A!

It seems like it would be a pretty short process to assign a $ value to each FTP point. Not sure why people would think otherwise, poll should be 100% Yes

+a million

banks are insured by the FDIC so if the bank does go bust the US goverment pays you back your balance up to $250,000.

So this actually kind of is like having your money in a bank then it goes bust and the government saying "yeah I know we said wed protect our citizens and make sure you get paid back, but actually instead we are just going to pay you 80 cents on the dollar...you dont like it, go **** yourself"

So is the PPA gonna take credit for money that gets refunded? I didn't sign on for them to represent me and I don't like the idea of these people negotiating my money. Is the PPA doing deals with the DOJ cuz they are the only "organization" in town? Are there other options? Lawyers ect? PPA, just don't fumble and **** it up. If you are only doing work so you can take the credit then stop now.

Please let me know what gives PPA authority to negotiate?

Skimmed thread but you Americans should get the cash a.s.a.p. and THEN fight over the points money, there are going to be so many non-claimers that the funds should be there to cover most of the bonuses, that's if those amounts were not figured into the cash Stars gave the DOJ, if they were I can't see why this is even being discussed.

The DOJ and the US justice system has given them the authority to talk with them.

I don't know if this qualifies as a negotiation.

You could hire a lawyer who might * it up. How many hours at >$300/hr are you willing to invest? What is it you want besides the money the DOJ will give you without anybody looking out for you? Is that worth it for you?

This will not work as we can only be paid one time. The whole process needs to be set up at one time. This request to get the same value from our accounts as did the ROW players is but a small piece in the process but a big deal to many players.

Explain how you can get your account opened etc, in a week, if you moved to Mexico????

Ok....but if you had, say, $312,500 in said bank - would you be getting protected or ****ed?


The fact that this (admittedly hilarious) poll is even being held does tend to sadly indicate that the PPA are not overly confident, 18 months on, in their lobbying abilities to get PS and FTP back online in the States - surely the best way all round to get player access to points held on account?

ahahahaha oh man this is just amazing. Out of curiosity, what do you think would be happening right now if the PPA didn't exist?

You totally have the right to rescind your claim to any proceeds from the current negotiation process and seek your own representation. No one is forcing you to accept any deal that the PPA and DOJ arrive at.

The problem with this is the points have a life expectancy. Points balance goes to zero if you don't login to your account within 2 years. 2 years from BF? 2 years from early November? We shouldn't have to keep track of this or worry about the possible loss of points.

I think it is quite silly to ask for/expect the remission process to include any promotional/loyalty points. FTP points were not cash. It's pretty obvious that the value of these points was not included in the payment to the DOJ, as they are already available to players who have moved to another country to play.

If the DOJ was concerned about players getting full value from their accounts, they would have allowed PokerStars to handle the cash outs, which almost certainly would have included allowing us to convert points to cash.

Even if I thought we "deserved" our points I would like the process to go through without them. With the speed that things have moved forward up to this point, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that adding in this addition variable could mean a 6-12 month delay.

We've waited long enough, please don't complicate an already slow process.

I do not think it is reasonable to expect a 6-12 month delay from dealing with this on issue. Considering this multi step remissions process is estimated to take 12-18 months why would this one part of one of the many processes take 6-12 months?

Last but not least, are you saying we do not deserve the value of our points? You stated that if Stars would have paid us we would have gotten the value of our points. Would you have given it back as you were undeserving? Do you think we deserve less than what the ROW players got? I think it is quite silly not to ask for the same thing the ROW received.

I think all the evidence so far seems to show that a 12-18 month time frame is pretty optimistic. The amount of money involved paired with the massive number of victims makes me think we have plenty of waiting still a head of us. Aren't we already 4 months in with no real progress made yet?


I don't think we "deserve" anything. We should all feel very lucky to see any money from this, let alone 100% of our balance. If this wasn't a profitable opportunity for PokerStars, then it's very likely we never would have seen a dime.

Do I think ROW players deserve to be paid their FTP points more than we do? Yes, certainly. ROW players are free to continue playing on full tilt and use those points in the way that was originally intended. ROW players did not receive cash for their points, they simply kept their points.

I think that keeping the FTP point balance intact in the event you move or poker becomes legal in the US is a very fair way for Stars to handle this.