Sorry to derail, carry on now.

Live poker will dry out the moment neural implants and cognitive enhancements become viable.

A taste of the future.

Exactly things look terrible for online poker atm. You can't really blame Skier for putting in the work and exploiting this opportunity tbh. Should pre-calculated Nash push/fold charts be allowed to be put into Huds? Where is the line?

As I said, Stars should have been up to date with these developments a long time ago and make a decision on which direction they intend to take for the future of online poker.

the more rake for the stars the better for us, remember it's the rake we contribute that is redistributed to us partly in FPPs and also the times we are showered by the instant cash bonus' stars gives. Stars doesn't have to be this nice you know? They have beams of light that determine the RNG which is a pretty good indicator that we should all be very thankful for this.

also the whole claudico fiasco is clearly a marketing ploy trying to mimic the effect that chess had on the population when deep blue came into the scene. It's quite insulting to the game of chess and I question anyones mental wellbeing who thinks NLHE is in the same realm as chess. First off even the most refined NLHE bot will need luck. Zero luck in chess guys, don't forget that. Chess can help ur nlhe game but nlhe will do nothing to help ur chess game...that says something

There is a need for some transparency here.

Players on stars have a right to know the function of software their opponents are using. If players don't like what software is being allowed on stars they can go play elsewhere, but they can't do that when stars won't even tell them what the software does.

Of course they are already allowing groups to openly collude against unaligned players so maybe they just don't care anymore.

Stars should realize that once an article about this is published on Pokerstrategy, Pokernews etc. and recreational players learn about this, the "online poker is rigged" statements will be even louder. Also, Im not sure how many people will continue playing much knowing that there is a possibility they are playing semi-bot (despite this software probably being more useful w reg-on-reg game)

Seems pretty hard to argue with this regardless on one's opinion regarding programs that assist human play being acceptable or not.

For example, Cepheus's solution to all of limit hold'em is online as a bunch of charts. If something that presents the relevant section of that chart to the user in real time as they play is legal then obviously I would never agree to play anyone using that software in HU limit as a loss would be mathematically guaranteed against a player who just does what the chart says, particularly if the software handles the randomization for the user which it sounds like this tool does. If stars thinks that because the strategy is static and can be presented in chart form that such software is okay then that's fine but before I put my money at the table they should be transparent as to what I may be up against.

1) Did not find a news on pokerstrategy yet (yes there are threads, but no news post so far)
2) The news will be on top for a maximum of 24 hours.
3) Recreational players are much more likely to be freaked out, when they read about Kartells and such.
4) Everbody knows that there are massive amounts of bots (especially MTT and CG) on iPoker, 888 etc. pp and nobody cares. They just wanna beat them. And here; they just wanna get their hands on it.

Imagine sharkystrator only available for 10 players - everyone would curse it and they would ask for a ban. But since they can buy it they woreship it.

[QUOTE=TheDefiniteArticle;46983096]Your flawed assumption here is that replication of live poker is desirable. Online poker is better for a reason. QUOTE]

Only ones who thinks it`s better with all the tools is the ones who couldn`t win without it

if stars made unlimited lobbies like FTP then no need for sharky, or just have the software built into the site so everyone has access.

none of these other software aids discussed takes a losing regular and turns them into a superstar skier clone which is the purpose of the thread.

You have no clue why software such as Sharky works, do you? If only 10 people would use it, it would be worthless to 10 people. Only if the majority of the community starts using it, the rest becomes forced to use it as well.

Sharky how it works is a niche product that can basically yield its max. power in hu sngs and basically no other format, thats why you dont see it popping up somewhere else. Yet this kind of software that is under discussion here has the ability to change the course of the entire online poker industry if its gonna be allowed/ignored/whatever you want to call it, by the market leader.

Sharky available for 10 players would be completely useless, literally no one will care about it. Program for registering just can't be compared to a program that may be giving advice on what action to take.

If you can't beat certain poker level btw, chances are you are just not working hard and/or are not particularly smart, sorry about that. Lack of tracking/registering programs won't help you get better. Though I personally prefer all software to be banned if needed, then using something that gives you real time advice.

So Stars, this is all the info we get? You approve a software or whatever someone is using, but we keep everything hidden from the community. No details, whatsoever. Really, Stars?

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Actually, looking at skiers playing history it begs the question, was he actually ever a big name such as Skai or Serkules in HUSNGs in the past?

Sure he played a few hands at 500s, but only at the end of the year 2014 all of a sudden he started grinding 1ks with much more volume than he ever did grind HUSNGs before. I guess the use of the software was the reason.

Here are some stats someone posted on a german forum so that you can get an idea about the similarities of playing style:

http://i.imgur.com/vMPIVk5.png

Yeaaaaah not really. HUDs add an element of skill to the game in statistical interpretation.

Plus, can I not just say "only those who can't win in games with tools think it's better without them"? It's just as reasonable an argument.

The course of the entire online poker industry has been changed, the moment where software, applicable during play, has been allowed.

If you wish to make online poker a fair game - where everyone has the same chances and no advantages trough use of any kind of software - then go ahead, mobilize the players and ask the pokersites, to

1) ban avatars
2) ban chats
3) creating randomly anonymous names every time the software starts (or better yet: every time a table has been joined)
4) do not allow player searches anymore
5) disable the possibility to see mucked hands of your opponent

If you go ahead with those 5 steps, than you will get somewhere close to "fair online poker".
Otherwise stop the hypocritical blabbering and just admit that all you want is to get ahead of the competition and that you don't give a damn about the recreational players.

I really hope Stars isn't bullied into making some arbitrary/bad decision to ban something because of an angry mob in NVG (who don't know what's being done or really have any idea how this could be achieved). I think the line should be drawn at programs scraping info in real time from tables and using that to assist in game play strat--and that is not what's going on here. People are basically suggesting that Stars limit how efficiently/effectively someone can info-recall (and how much) a pre-studied strat (which every hypers reg does just not as smartly as i.e Skier).

Yes. Or how about randomizing using a clock! That's all that's going on here. Some charts and a clock randomizer.
It is quite clear from Baard's phrasing that this software is borderline and some changes/interpretations to the TOS would make it illegal.

As i said earlier. It is quite unlikely skier have something revolutionary here that he needs to claw to protect info about what his software does. Way more likely is that other programmers just assume it would not be allowed and thus not worth developing.

Also, skier_5 is absolutely not a cheater and calling him such is ridiculous. But pokerstars need to be very transparent here.

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What exactly is the distinction you're drawing? Admittedly, I don't know how automated the software is, but if it automatically pulls up a chart or even a page in a book based on what's going on in-game, it crosses a line IMO.

OFC they are (at least) scraping real time info such as eff. stack size and who knows where it ends.. There are legal programs out there who can scrap every bit of real time info thats happening on a table. So why you think they wouldnt do it..

I wonder at the university exam, can you open the books you studied before and with a straight face say:

"Hey, I just want to effectively info-recall my pre-studied strat"

So, you don't have any details of what he does. Fair enough you don't choose to overreact.

So, you still don't have any details but you are now ready to tell us what his program does and does not, and that the "mob" is just ignorant in making assumptions. Bravo, you nailed it - stop the discussion now please.

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